Bad news for male therapists?

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Oh dear, bad case at London's Blackfriars Crown Court of a male massage therapist (and salon owner) accused of indecent assault. Only the prosecution case has been heard so far, but client claims a one-hour treatment lasted two and a half hours. No doubt this case will get a lot of space in the papers.
Is it inevitable that the publicity surrounding a case like this will put clients off male therapists?
 
heck i will have to be careful, most of my appointments run over!!!!

seriously though I have not heard about it and it wouldnt change my opinion of going to see a male therapist (in fact my regular therapist is male)


tigs
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My experience has been that I have never had a bad treatment from a male therapist, whereas female therapists can be a bit hit and miss...

Lesley
 
[link=http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=4726304]Full story[/link]

Mat xxx
 
the guy in question is listed as a london-based tantric educator...
http://www.sourcetantra.com/certified-tantric-educators.html

maybe he got his modalities confused

i'm afraid it is bad news for us male therapists. the potential market for male therapists is orders of magnitude smaller mainly because of (1) homophobia among men (2) distrust among women of male therapists and (3) sexism in clinics/spas etc. yes, if you're good therapist, your practice will build. but in terms of growth potential, we need this kind of negative publicity like a hole in the head.

phew. that feels better already.

warm regards

henry
 
bloody 'ell!

There was a similar case in Kingston Hospital with a physiotherapist who told a woman to strip naked. (Physiotherapy is carried out on clothed patients.) Can't seem to find info on google though.
 
What a horror story.
As you say, the last thing we need - whether it scares clients away, or brings them in for the wrong reasons.

Let's hope it stays in proportion.

BV

PS Darren, if it's not on Google it doesn't exist
 
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were going through the same at the minute as my dad is a reflexologist and an aromatherophy masseur and he has been accused of being to familiar with a client and he is absollutely devestated and i know my dad is telling the truth and hope the truth will win through

julie
 
Hi Julie

He must be very upset about that.

Unfortunately this is something that is going to get more common as time goes on, we normally follow the American trends about twenty years after it kicks off there and people thanks mainly to no win no fee offers from solicitors as hopeful of winning compensation for all sorts of things.

The answer is unfortunately to stop being such helpful and caring people and become ultra clinical which IMO is not the reason I became a therapist in the first place.
 
Julie,
That sounds terrible - for your father and everyone connected to him. I hope it gets sorted out. This sort of thing can be very discouraging for anyone starting out in this business. I've already been told by one female therapist that I'll only get clients if I go in for something more "masculine", ie sports massage. But that's not what interested me in training in the first place.
Well, we'll just have to see. If nothing else, my wife and daughter will benefit (are already benefiting) from my training. I know I'm good (people have told me). All I've got to do now is try to connect with the people who can benefit from my abilities.
Incidentally, all through my training I kept quiet about it at my "day job" as I knew everyone's reaction would be all too predictable. Now they know - and, needless to say, it didn't take them long to make the connection between me and the court case: "Isn't that what YOU do??!" Hugely amusing...

Nick
 
In the newspaper articvle, the client is quoted to have said
Sadly there is still a lot of education to be done. Teach people/children not to stay silent when they are in what feels (rightly or not) as an abusive situation.
It is sad, but help can so ofetn be misunderstood.

Artemis
 
here's an update...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4638419.stm
 
just looking at the update, the guy was obviously a menace to women and quite rightly was jailed. We arent just talking about a lone woman saying that she had been touched up, this guy sexually molested more than one.

We have to keep things in perspective, as these are isolated cases. The key to it all is being 100% professional at all times, and ensuring you cover yourself, by conducting a thorough and comprehensive consultation, which should be signed by the client, and everything you do within the treatment being recorded afterwards.

I feel that too many massage therapists skip this, which I feel is not only unprofessional, but can lead to unscrupulous people accusing them of all sorts. If you notice nowadays you dont get an insurance certificate to pin up on your wall...this is due to the large number of bogus claims being made against therapists, because they can see just how much they are insured for.

Its a shame for the aromatherapist mentioned above, there are people who get attached to their therapists, and who can be fantasists, and theres not too much you can do, apart from, as I said, almost clinical consultations, which immediately gives you a thoroughly professional appearance.
 
He hasn't been found guilty yet I assume.
Even if he is, my patients know me and anyone who has doubts can access any of them for a reference.
I think its safe to say that every male masseur is automatically a suspect; after all, why else would any red blooded man want to do a job like that?
You know that it's not true, and I know it's not true, but if people want to think that way, there's nothing standing in their way except their prejudices.
Mike
 
i totally agree with sportstherapy about the recording of the treatment etc. it is the best and easiest way forward to stamp out prejudice and uphold professionalism for both genders

i guess it won't be long tho until crb checks are required by clinics/ salons etc.

i had one done in order for me to do baby massage at work and although they are not foolproof a crb would have listed said molesters previous jail sentence in that particular case

though i suppose that is no protection for the public if someone dodgy(male or female) is working from home/ mobile etc and don't get themselves checked.

it's such a shame that people have untoward perceptions of male therapists.
that said i had a (horrible and creepy) man ask me a while back "what does your husband think about you doing massage?"

it always seems to be those with the least knowledge form the most steadfast opinions huh?
 
[sm=nature-smiley-008.gif]I wouldn't have thought that the antics of one bad apple isreally going to give male massage therapists a bad name across the board. That's if he is a bad apple, I can't say I've read about the case, has he been tried & convicted?[/align][/align]While mostpeoplemight assess that he was using massage therapy as a door of opportunity, they would equally be able to recognise this as a statement of the individual's motivation in those circumstances rather than a general statement on the inclinations of male massage therapists everywhere.
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Yes, he has been convicted - see the following:

And, no, it should/must not affect the work done by thousands of good (male) therapists.
 
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  35. Sparkling Spa:
    โšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸSPARKLING SPAโšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸ โœ…50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8โœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒMarkham, ON L3R 8X4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phoneโ˜Ž๏ธ (West of Warden & 16th Ave) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅSUPERSTAR SERVICE QUEENS AVAILABLE AT SPARKLING SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅSEXY NEW YOUNG GIRLS ALWAYS WORKING - Todayโ€™s Schedule isโ€ฆ๐Ÿ”ฅ Coco -๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ˜˜Our new sexy and slim massage girl Coco exudes elegance and allure, with
  36. lotushubspa:
    LotusSpa, today we have arranged different beautiful new girls to work for all customers every day. Anna is a Chinese girl with big breasts and beautiful figure, Cici is a Korean girl with good figure and gentle temperament, Jessica is a Taiwanese girl with fair skin and big breasts. If you are interested, please call 9052375885. Or send SMS to 4163565876.
  37. SugarLoveSpa:
    Tuesday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: MIMI, SASA & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž MIMI is a slim & busty Asian/Euro mix beauty, 50Kgs & 1M60. Mimi has a very versatile range of services. SASA is a Chinese girl, nice and friendly, a little shy but can do everything. TIFFANY is an amazing slim petite doll with natural 34C melons
  38. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡10am-2am, New First Day Slim Sexy Chinese Tina, Slim Petite Chinese Vivi & Sexy Slim Chinese Jenny all new Sexy Young Roster
  39. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Molly๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ˜˜An enchanting and skilled new Asian massage girl, known for her calming presence and soothing touch. Molly exudes an aura of serenity and grace. As she gently guides you through each movement, her soft hands apply just the
  40. See You Health Center:
    Natalie she is CBC/filipina mixed Petite school girl Judy is a gorgeous model type Vietnamese Girl She is 5โ€™2โ€tall . 100Lbs, with D Cup Melons Cici Cute Skinny Sexy Vietnamese Girl With Voluptuous Huge C Melons Provides Amazing Service โ˜Ž๏ธ416-988-2950
  41. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
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  42. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅTODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: Julia๐Ÿ˜˜ - A shy new Korean girl waiting
  43. wonderspa:
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  44. AmoreSpaEtobicoke:
    AMORE SPA 127 Westmore Drive, Unit 106C Etobicoke, ON M9V 3Y6 โ˜Ž 437-688-2407 โ˜Ž TWO SPINNERS TODAY Tuesday at AMORE SPA: CHERRY(10AM-11pm) & Tiny Spinner LALA CHERRY is a proven superstar, Slim Asian with a pretty face, all natural A or B Cups, long nipples, slim waist & small round bum. Her services are legendary. Tiny LALA is an unbelievably good Superstar SPINNER, only 5โ€™2โ€
  45. New Oriental Health Centre:
    ๐Ÿซฆ Vivian & Nayla are in today ๐Ÿ“žCall ๐Ÿ“ฒ Text: (647) 381-2688 ๐Ÿ’„ Make Your Day Incredibly Delicious ๐Ÿ’„Vivian is a Very Horny & Vivacious Chinese Girl! ๐Ÿ‘ Nayla is a Tall, Young, Beautiful & Curvy Spanish Girl. ๐Ÿ’‹ Gina is a Hot Voluptuous Mexican Babe ๐Ÿ’„ All Our Girls Provide Lots of E X T R A S & are Extremely Open-Minded ๐Ÿค— We're Open from 8am til Late Everyday! Drop in to Unit 26, 10 East Wilmot Street, Richmond Hill.
  46. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center: Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Lulu,Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Tina ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Cindy ,Student big boobs buttocks Vicky, Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,๐Ÿ address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  47. AliceSpa:
    TUESDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 3 Young Beauties Today at Alice Spa: AMY (10am to 9pm) is a young, petite short & slim Taiwanese, former dance instructor, firm natural B Cups, pretty face, firm natural titis, super play good, bbbj, cim, rim, dfk, all services. *New Girl MINA (1pm to 9pm): is a tell slim former model from Taiwan, with B Cups
  48. Moneylee:
    full season wellness center: NewYoung girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament Anika , Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Bobo ,Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage star ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. ๐Ÿ  2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 โ˜Ž๏ธ 4379857899 ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  49. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡10am-2am, New First Day Slim Sexy Chinese Tina, Slim Petite Chinese Vivi & Sexy Slim Chinese Jenny all new Sexy Young Roster
  50. ASPA:
    TUESDAY at ๐€ ๐’๐๐€: Best Massage Rachel, & Wendy ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐€ ๐’๐๐€๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐—–๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฒ ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ฒ๐˜…๐˜ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ RACHEL is a slim and attractive attendant, about 5โ€™4โ€ tall with nice responsive 34Cโ€™s and a captivating smooth rounded bottom. She is popular for her excellent massage skills and a little extra.
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