Lapsed Liscense

[Deleted member 62297]

Little bit pissed. Went to a favorite provider and was upfront saying I need a receipt which she acknowledge before the massage. Had the massage and everything went great. Was very happy with the service. Got my receipt and went on my way. Submitted my receipt to my insurance company and had received a message back from my insurance provider stating the provider's license was not valid and had lapsed prior to the date of massage.

Why couldn't the provider tell me this prior to the massage : (

 

[bigbill]

Because you wouldn't have gone if you knew and this way you spent your money.

 

[ChaosFactor]

Is it your provider's name on the receipt? If she is using a different RMT's name and number she may not have been aware that it expired.

 

[Deleted member 72001]

Is it your provider's name on the receipt? If she is using a different RMT's name and number she may not have been aware that it expired.

The honest mistake of trying to massage without a licence by using someone else’s license.......that expired.
Love it.

 

[michael garrett]

Little bit pissed. Went to a favorite provider and was upfront saying I need a receipt which she acknowledge before the massage. Had the massage and everything went great. Was very happy with the service. Got my receipt and went on my way. Submitted my receipt to my insurance company and had received a message back from my insurance provider stating the provider's license was not valid and had lapsed prior to the date of massage.

Why couldn't the provider tell me this prior to the massage : (

I agree with you , but I am sympathetic with the providers too..many of them spent a great deal of money on taking a rmt course to qualify for a license then had their licenses revoked by the registrar months or years later when they could not pass an English test..it seems that the registrar concentrated mostly on the Asian girls most of whom have left the business or seemingly are resorting to different practices to stay employed....the rmt schools didn't mind taking their money for the courses , but offered no assistance when the registrar came after them with an English test the idea of doing so likely orchestrated by the insurance companies.....i suggest that the rmt s who have not left the business and had their licenses revoked are doing whatever they can to continue being a rmt...unfortunately their is no protection for us to know if a license is valid prior to submitting a receipt..i believe their is shared responsibility here, the rmt s, registrars, and insurance companies...m

 

[ChaosFactor]

The honest mistake of trying to massage without a licence by using someone else’s license.......that expired.
Love it.

The life of the hobbyist, happiness, burner phones, grey areas galore

 

[Deleted member 62297]

I am also so happy the service provided.......I am still going to see the provider....lol,

At least I know not to bother to ask for a receipt.

 

[ChaosFactor]

I am also so happy the service provided.......I am still going to see the provider....lol,

At least I know not to bother to ask for a receipt.

And that is the main thing with this hobby, see the girls that make you happy

 

[Albertaman]

I keep my serious massotherapy side with claimable receipts very separate from my hobbying side. And the receipts for the year are from no more than two therapists. The total spend on the hobby side is much much more, but with no overlaps to the therapy side. Keeps it simple and stress free.


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[michael garrett]

NOT true... insurance companies' role is to facilitate reimbursement or payment of benefits.. correct spelling and grammar by rmts isnt their concern whatsoever.. whose this registrar you refer to?
Students write the schools final exams.. a hands on practical and multiple choice one. An English test doesn't exist here.. it's massage therapy. Not ESL.
Plenty asian rmts who don't speak or write well (example: Lily near WEM, flora..) seem to be holding onto their licenses just fine. By offering extras whether it be by an asian RMT or body rub practitioner.. they're making more money in same amt of time so no one is struggling.

If any asian rmts 'lost their license', its very likely because they got caught offering extras or violated their membership privileges somehow. Nothing to do with being able to speak English perfectly or not.

when rmt s finish their schooling they have to apply for and be granted membership in a recognized

NOT true... insurance companies' role is to facilitate reimbursement or payment of benefits.. correct spelling and grammar by rmts isnt their concern whatsoever.. whose this registrar you refer to?
Students write the schools final exams.. a hands on practical and multiple choice one. An English test doesn't exist here.. it's massage therapy. Not ESL.
Plenty asian rmts who don't speak or write well (example: Lily near WEM, flora..) seem to be holding onto their licenses just fine. By offering extras whether it be by an asian RMT or body rub practitioner.. they're making more money in same amt of time so no one is struggling.

If any asian rmts 'lost their license', its very likely because they got caught offering extras or violated their membership privileges somehow. Nothing to do with being able to speak English perfectly or not.

not exactly...when rmt s finish their schooling they must apply for and be accepted into an organization such as CRMTA in order to submit invoices to insurance companies for reimbursement...in the past year CRMTA has contacted their rmt members and informed that they must attend their offices in bonnie doon to complete an oral and written test...failure to do and / or complete same results in the rmt being denied to renew their license ..that is fact...my comments that it is insurance companies who have orchestrated the requirement for a test is speculation, however reasonable speculation based on the practices of insurance companies..i am pleased to hear that the rmt s that you have information are holding their licenses but I assure you many Asian girls no longer have memberships in organizations like CRMTA and can no longer write receipts

 

[Johny2228]

when rmt s finish their schooling they have to apply for and be granted membership in a recognized

not exactly...when rmt s finish their schooling they must apply for and be accepted into an organization such as CRMTA in order to submit invoices to insurance companies for reimbursement...in the past year CRMTA has contacted their rmt members and informed that they must attend their offices in bonnie doon to complete an oral and written test...failure to do and / or complete same results in the rmt being denied to renew their license ..that is fact...my comments that it is insurance companies who have orchestrated the requirement for a test is speculation, however reasonable speculation based on the practices of insurance companies..i am pleased to hear that the rmt s that you have information are holding their licenses but I assure you many Asian girls no longer have memberships in organizations like CRMTA and can no longer write receipts

It is true what you said and causing considerable concern in the industry.There is growing talk of legal action/class action suit because even folks in the industry for over 10 years are getting rejected due to English requirements.As if we our Rmts to talk a lot during a massage session??

 

[ChaosFactor]

I can see the reason for having a beyond basic understanding of English. Yes for many of us who go for "recreational" purposes it's not a big deal but if you were going to get a major injury treated I would hope the RMT can understand what I am telling her and also be able to communicate with me any details of the injury and other steps I may have to take to treat it.
I have seen a few girls who do not understand English at all and you can tell they have no understanding of what I am saying.

 

[distinguished.gentleman]

I keep my serious massotherapy side with claimable receipts very separate from my hobbying side. And the receipts for the year are from no more than two therapists. The total spend on the hobby side is much much more, but with no overlaps to the therapy side. Keeps it simple and stress free.


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Exactly my mode of operation. I use up my insurable benefits in the first three weeks of the year anyway.....sigh. First world problem

 

[Spexx]

Exactly my mode of operation. I use up my insurable benefits in the first three weeks of the year anyway.....sigh. First world problem

Jeez man, that’s like twice a week to cover what I get. Ok, maybe that’s not too much. I was able to make it to now with 1 session left before my insurance is done. Then again I don’t ask for receipts everywhere. Only certain places.

 

[distinguished.gentleman]

Yes, I only get $500 annual with my "retiree plan", which I pay quite a bit for monthly (incl. travel, medical, dental, and numerous health/wellness items that I have little use for). Travel is the big component for me, as I am away a lot. Anyway, my issue is, at this point in my life, I can have a better plan, but I'm paying directly for it. So, like AB Man , I prefer to pay for my pleasure, and not sweat the receipts. I only use University Traditional Chinese Medicine Clinic for my massage and acupuncture benefits, and they bill direct, so no fuss.

 

[aro]

when rmt s finish their schooling they have to apply for and be granted membership in a recognized

not exactly...when rmt s finish their schooling they must apply for and be accepted into an organization such as CRMTA in order to submit invoices to insurance companies for reimbursement...in the past year CRMTA has contacted their rmt members and informed that they must attend their offices in bonnie doon to complete an oral and written test...failure to do and / or complete same results in the rmt being denied to renew their license ..that is fact...my comments that it is insurance companies who have orchestrated the requirement for a test is speculation, however reasonable speculation based on the practices of insurance companies..i am pleased to hear that the rmt s that you have information are holding their licenses but I assure you many Asian girls no longer have memberships in organizations like CRMTA and can no longer write receipts

MG and 2228 are right on. I want to add 3 points:
1. CRMTA is now revoking membership based on English requriement could be considered racial discrimination - to the disadvantage of immigrant from non - English speaking countries.
2. CRMTA has granted the licences to these ladies in the first place, based on whatever standards the association has adopted at the time. If English proficiency is now a new requirement, can the association legally apply the new requirement retroactively?
3. This issue seems to be affecting the CRMTA members only. So far, members from the NHPC do not appear to be affected, and some of them have minimal English proficiency as well. Therefore I wouldn't jump the gun to say this issue was created by the insurance industry.

Having said that it is very puzzling as to why and on what legal ground CRMTA is treating their members in this manner.