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Hi there everyone!
Ok this is the deal, i have put in applications and resumes and all i have heard was we will look over this etc..
So i have been looking into office spaces for rent. am i better off. i have not work for anyone since i became certified, (working my other job until somthing came up)i have a family to support. i am not afraid of working to get clientel. Marketing I am not afraid of. but is this the right move. what kind of space is good to start with. i really love being a therapist. but it is only worth it if i am actually doing it!!!!!!!!!! i would of course keep my job, but i am at a loss. what to do. does any of this make sense??? help
thanks to all who have the time to respond :smt017
 


Well, 'better off' is subjective, and you are the only who can tell if its worth it.

Do you have the financial ability to start up something on your own? There is plenty of start up costs, (the obvious and the not so obvious) but sometimes not as many as one might think.

Do you have the time it takes to start up, between your day job and your family? Are you the sole provider for your family? I haven't been in the situation, so im biased, but I'm sure it *can* be difficult to build enough clientele to get you to full time massages when you only have part time availabilty.

What kind of office spaces have you looked at? You first office will revolve around what your start up budget is, and you didn't give any heads up on that - do you have it figured out? WHen you know what you can spend, then and only then will you know what spaces are available to you. Do you have an empty space that has potential for a *PROFESSIONAL* reincarnation in your home, and would that work for your family?

In MY opinion its worth it, but there have been many a day when I wished to God I had a 'job' doing massage and was not on my own - even though to the core I still love it. Good luck either way!
 


no i don't think that it's the right move.

i say keep putting in apps and looking for work and gaining experience until you're ready to devote all/significant amount of your time to building a successful pratice.
 


If you have worked in the business world before, it will be easier for you. Organizing a business system, etc., for your practice can be overwhelming as you are trying to build clientele.

I'm not trying to dissuade you at all. I have talked to many of my customers about How They Began. From my non-scientific observations, I believe there is more chance of success for people that have experience with managing a business or have support from people (parents, spouses, etc) who are willing to take on that part of your practice while you are beginning.

Some links to interviews and articles that may be helpful:
Natural Touch Marketing: Real Stories
 


MaybeMobile raises good questions.

From my experience, if you have worked in the business world before, it will be easier for you. Organizing a business system, etc., for your practice can be overwhelming as you are trying to build clientele.

I'm not trying to dissuade you at all. I have talked to many of my customers about How They Began. From my non-scientific observations, I believe there is more chance of success for people that have experience with managing a business or have support from people (parents, spouses, etc) who are willing to take on that part of your practice while you are beginning.

Some links to interviews and articles that may be helpful:

Interviews with MTs who market their practices happily.
http://www.naturaltouchmarketing.com/NTM-Real-Stories-Intro.php

Blog entry that may be of interest to you at this time (be sure to read the comments).
http://www.naturaltouchmarketing.com/blog/marketing-matters/2008/07/a-room-of-ones-own/

Best of luck. I'll be interested to hear what comes of your decisions.

Eileen
 


Thanks guys it has been helpful. i have just been so fustrated with the job i am at right now(manager/bartender/waitress) all at the same place. im just ready to do what i know i was meant to do.
 


Been. There.

Lists are your very best friends. Really. For everything. It's easy to forget where you are going and then you feel more buried.

I don't know how old your kids are, but lists are very good for them, too. It helps them to know what's on everyone's plate. When Mom, my sister and I were trying to keep it together (everyone in school, everyone with at least one full-time job and no functioning car), lists kept us sane.

Cherie Sohnen-Moe has some very helpful, free worksheets that are worth your time.
http://www.sohnen-moe.com/forms.php

Keep us updated.

We're pulling for you.

Eileen
 


I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Don't go into business for yourself just because you are frustrated. If you let frustration hurry you into it, you'll overlook critical details that can make the difference between success and failure.

If you really want to do this, take the time to do your homework and MAKE A GOOD PLAN. This plan needs to include expected fixed and variable expenses, tax liabilities and estimated payment dates, business and massage licensing, business and massage liability insurances, bank account(s), registered business name and tax id number, marketing plan (with estimated costs), etc. Ideally your plan will include a realistic cash flow statement, with multiple scenarios (expected, above expected, and worst case) represented.

You will be making rough estimates on some things, but a little investigation will generally enable you to be reasonably accurate on most. Have a business advisor (like SCORE) go over your plan(s) and give you critical feedback.

Being an independent massage therapist makes you a business owner, with all of the responsibilities that comes with the role. It can be very satisfying, but it's a LOT of extra work, and you'll soon be overwhelmed if you aren't properly prepared with a good plan.

If you take the time to prepare properly, know what you need to do, why you need to do it, and how to do it right, you'll probably do just fine. If not, you'll wish you'd just taken a job working for someone else.

Last - consider how you've applied to jobs thus far. Get someone to give you critical feedback on your resume, with no punches pulled. Edit your resume to improve layout, spelling, grammar, etc. so communicates professionalism and competence. If you have a good resume, make sure you drop it off in person, and do so dressed for the job (or at least close). Calling ahead to see if the manager/owner will be in at the time may help. Taking these few steps will increase your chances of success.

Best wishes for your success!
 


:iagree:
Great advice.

Don't go into business for yourself just because you are frustrated. If you let frustration hurry you into it, you'll overlook critical details that can make the difference between success and failure.

SO TRUE!!!
 
thanks again

its like being on roller coaster with endless loops, all ways spiraling.. I have 3 kids 9,8, and 2, and let say lets their Supportive$$$$ dad (he helps with the kids as he should but thats about it. we are not together but he lives with me and harldly makes any money bc he has 2 other kids (child support).so i am the bread winner)
so i am just all around stressed outand i know that working in this field would help me mentally and physically too. So thanks again to all of you . it has trully been helpful. :lol:
 


One thing that has not been mentioned, and this is from experience, make your practice larger than just you. Hire a couple of independant contractor's with some experience and established clients they can bring with them. You will get a perceneforum.xxxe of their commission, while you build your clientele. Make your practice large enough for at least 2 rooms.
 
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  33. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน3 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ New girl Cherry (Student)๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜Hot and sexy body, big boobs super body slide, very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธ You are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in the back door with plenty of parking
  34. New spring spa@:
    โค๏ธโ€๐Ÿ”ฅsexy hot busty ๐ŸŒธCanadian ๐ŸŒธJapanese ๐ŸŒธKorean ๐ŸŒธgirls working at Markham โ˜Ž๏ธ416-669-8508โค๏ธโ€๐Ÿ”ฅ
  35. Sparkling Spa:
    โšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸSPARKLING SPAโšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸ โœ…50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8โœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒMarkham, ON L3R 8X4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phoneโ˜Ž๏ธ (West of Warden & 16th Ave) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅSUPERSTAR SERVICE QUEENS AVAILABLE AT SPARKLING SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅSEXY NEW YOUNG GIRLS ALWAYS WORKING - Todayโ€™s Schedule isโ€ฆ๐Ÿ”ฅ Jennifer -๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ˜˜A talented and graceful new massage girl from Taiwan, offering a trul
  36. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 11 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ CHERRY, MALIYA, MONIKA, PRIYA, AMANDA, PREETI, ANGELINA, ANAYA, SARIKA ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  37. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบwelcome to wonder spaโ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800,L6a4H8๏ผŒopen10 to10.we have 4young beautiful girls working everyday๐Ÿ…,service queen Jessica friendly nice girl,providing deep tissue massage and nice body slide๐Ÿ…,New girl CiCi is very good looking,big breasted service excellent massage with back walking hot stone,๐ŸŒนAmy vietname girl ,beautiful face every thing she can do,very popular,must try๐Ÿ”ฅ
  38. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅTODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: Grace๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ˜˜A new alluring and skilled Asi
  39. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center : New Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Gold ,young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Mia,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Vivi ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella ,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ๐Ÿ address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  40. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: New Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Ivy , Young girl pretty face big boobs nice figure deep massage Jessica ,Young girl Big-breasted big Big boobs big butts May, Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage Maggie,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary . ๐Ÿ  2560 Shepard Ave Mississauga unit 1 โ˜Ž๏ธ 4379857899 ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  41. hiyamickey:
    We have 11 girls working at Reinella wellness, special: 45 minutes $45 , 60 minutes $55 90 minutes $85, 2 hours $100 , โ˜Ž๏ธ: 905-851-4888 Address: 6262 hwy7 unit #1 Vaughan
  42. AliceSpa:
    FRIDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. Alice spa has 4 very hot girls today. Open 10am to 9pm: AMY (10am โ€“ 9pm) is a young, petite short & slim Taiwanese, former dance instructor, firm natural B Cups, pretty face, firm natural titis, super play good, bbbj, cim, rim, dfk, all services. ANNA (1pm-9pm) : is a hot & sexy curvy girl from Vietnam with C Cups
  43. HollywoodSpa:
    Friday at ๐ŸŽญ๐—›๐—ข๐—Ÿ๐—Ÿ๐—ฌ๐—ช๐—ข๐—ข๐—— ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐ŸŽญ, 4578 Yonge St, Unit 100, North York, ON: TRACY & MICHICO. โ˜Ž416-222-5554โ˜Ž When you visit ๐ŸŽญHollywood Spa๐ŸŽญ, you will be treated with tender care and your visit will be a fulfilling one. Nice Massage, Young Pretty Girls. We have Chinese, Japanese, Korean & other attendants. TRACY is a slim, taller & pretty lady, very friendly with an extensive menu. MICHICO is a young slim, beautiful
  44. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Meet๐ŸŒธMei๐ŸŒธKim๐ŸŒธTinaCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  45. ForeverWarden:
    Friday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ : Lisa, Mia & Sasa. Lisa is a young, slim, friendly & very beautiful Vietnamese beauty with a nice body, nice 34D boobs, slim waist, impressive booty, nice massage, great services. Mia is a Caribbean service queen temptress with incredible curves & very friendly attitude. She is able to bbbj like a queen
  46. HolidaySpa:
    Friday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: LINA & CINDY. LINA is very well known for her great services and her impressive shapely ass. Come and see why! You will be glad you did. CINDY is a slim & incredibly sexy lady with a smile that will melt your heart, & an ass that will fire up your spirit. Her services are among the best!
  47. SugarLoveSpa:
    Friday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜:ANA, ELLA, TIFFANY & TINA. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž ANA is a young, short and sweet lady, 5โ€™1 & 105 Lbs, very tight, with a small to medium booty. Ana is a versatile honey who provides great massage, & can accommodate your needs. ELLA is a lovely Thai sweetheart, 5โ€™1โ€ with C Cups, smooth skin and very pleasing
  48. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Vicky๐ŸฅฐA new arrival at our branch ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ‘ฏโ€โ™€๏ธVicky is a very young CBC part time student working for tuition fees and books, this bright young sexy girl is willing to showcase her eagerness to please AND be pleased. Busty 36DD boobs
  49. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Today๐ŸŒธAlisa๐ŸŒธSelina๐ŸŒธAletta๐ŸŒธNina๐ŸŒธCindy Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  50. lotushubspa:
    Hi, Louts๐Ÿ’‹ recommends the best female masseuse to customers today, Anna๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’ฏ from China Coco๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’ฏ from Taiwan, Yuki๐Ÿ’‹ from South Korea, living at 10737 Yonge St Unit13. Please contact 9052375885โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿ’‹ or SMS 4163565876, ๐Ÿ’‹Thank you๐Ÿ’‹ lotushubspa Post #367 Jan 3, 2025 Forum: Toronto Massage Review
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