Theta DNA Healing

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Whilst I was browsing healing (as one does)on the web I came across this site. I personally have always believed that you should never imply a cure.

Is this another best there is?

Any coments?

[link=http://www.theta-dna-healing.com/index.htm]http://www.theta-dna-healing.com/index.htm[/link]



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[Cap.n1Eye]

A very enthusiastic theta healer methinks.

I have heard Vianna Stibal, originator of this modality, talk about herself being instrumental in her teen or adult daughter growing a new tooth, but did not see it for myself.

Vianna has also had some amazing success with difficult cases, but again, this is anecdotal

My own experience is that theta healing is excellent in removing unhelpful beliefs, though I would not go so far as to say 'never to return' becuase of course, no-one can claim that, can they

tigress

 

[Ketooraw R]

I have yet to see someone change the DNA of every cell in my body via e-mail. If it somehow influences my brain so it sends some signals to my body, I don't know of any cases when the brain can change the DNA code.

 

[Johnny Rock]

a) Claiming to "heal cancer"? I thought it was illegal to make such claims in the UK (and that website is from someone in Nottingham)

b) Reverse the ageing process? So, if you are getting younger all the time, your organs will reach a stage where they function as per pre-development i.e. they will not operate properly.

c)

So our beliefs, memories and learnt responses are all stored in our DNA? Or is this implying that all our personality and beliefsare inherited from our parents. We'd all be robots! [&:]

No doubt that some healing can be achieved, but these claims and the way it's portrayed just give therapies a bad name IMHO. I've no problem with someone wanting to be positive about what their therapies can offer, but sometimes it's a good idea for the therapist to read through what they've written and say to themselves "Am I putting this across in a reasonable way or am I just going to scare people off?"

[/color]Love and Reiki Hugs

 

[Hannah Tapparo]

Until claims like this are officially illegal we will never be taken seriously by allopathic medicine.

At present, I believe we are only told we can't say this. Is there any means of prosecution?

Patchouli

 

[?? abbie Kate ??]

Hi Patchouli



I suppose in a word no. Whilst my associations require all therapist to sign compulsory codes of conduct therefore a breach like implying a cure or having testimonials on a web site implying a cure would invoke the discipline procedures, which depending on the blatancy and implication could result in dismissal thus removal of their insurance. Of course this would only apply to people who are members of an association and or even bothered with insurance.
An example would be:

After the 3rd session of |Thetadna I knew that the cancer was gone and now the doctors have confirmed it. Each treatment is a beautiful experience. Thank you. Phyllis

Whilst this may or may not be true it suggests/implies that Thetadna can cure cancer, not that the cancer may have reacted to mainstream medicine drugs and that the therapy may have helped.

Hi Energylz.


What I do is whenever I see a site like the one above that is blatantly portraying a cure I see if they belong to an association (unfortunately they all don't) then I contact the association and complain. (Some reply some don't)

Also you may be able to contact HP if you see their link is on any of the sites.
HP must have their own code for sites and therapists?

 

[That lucky Sponge!]

I'm not aware of the details of the prosecution aspect of this. I do know however that even the pharmaceutical companies are not allowed to make such claims, and if they believe they have something then it has to be reported to the relevant bodies and the necessary tests and research have to be carried out to prove the effectiveness.

Love and Reiki Hugs

 

[Boo!]

Reply to all:

I have moved this thread over to General Therapies, where there is already a fairly recent thread on Theta DNA Healing, which may be of interest:

[link=http://www.healthypages.net/forum/fb.asp?m=414747]http://www.healthypages.net/forum/fb.asp?m=414747[/link]

On the question of prosecution for claiming a cure, IIRC there was a thread in the Cancer forum about this, andsomeone was taken to court for making such a claim. It was quite a while ago, but Search should turn it up if interested.

Holistic

 

[Stevie mac]

How would you benefit from prosecuting them because they say they have a cure for cancer?



ThetaHealing removes the belief from 4 levels - the Core (what you've learnt from birth) the Genetic (what you've been passed down from your family - especially your Mother's beliefs) the History (things you picked up from other lives - whether it be energy from a place or past lives) and the Soul (deeply ingrained beliefs) If you remove from one they're likely to come back on others. Also even if you remove them all but your physical actions continue to attract them then it will come back. It takes your beliefs away but you still have to watch your concious mind to make sure it backs up what you want. Otherwise it's like being cured for a stomach ache then eating 2 week old food. That doesn't mean the cure wasn't good - just the client didn't really want to stay healthy!



It's implying some are from our parents - some are from elsewhere as detailed above.



At the crutch of this whole healing system is the Creator. The only thing you need to be able to do by yourself is to believe in the Creator/God/Allah etc. If you have faith the rest is simple.
By e-mail the practitioner recieves authorisation from the client to proceed. Just as simply as imagining the person at the other end the practitioner can get to that person by means of a psychic link.
Inside the pineal gland in the centre of the brain is a cell called the Master Cell. This cell is the control centre for every other cell in the body. The chromosomes and the DNA control the way we move - the colour of our skin and eyes etc. By accessing this cell you can change everything in the body.

This is only a simple explantion as I'm only just learning about this, but I hope it offers you some insight into how this healing process works and I hope it gives you some understanding in it so you'll either support it or leave it for those who it helps.

 

[Pompal 09.]

Hi Dodlemcno,

Nobody is slating Theta Healing itself, just the way it has been portrayed and the claims that are being made on this website. I'm quite sure that as a therapy it is as effective as any other therapy.



The Law says you can't make claims for curing cancer, full stop. If you believe you have a cure for cancer then it must undergo strict trials and research to prove the effectiveness. Only when those tests have been carried out and the proof shown, then the government will turn around and say that there is now a cure for cancer. Prosecution of people who make claims of cures for cancer is a means to prevent those who are vulnerable from being scammed by those who are just out to make a quick buck from those who will try anything for a cure.


Then Theta Healing wouldn't work for meif I have to believe in a Creator. I don't believe in the creationism principle of the universe or that there is one supreme being or God. I believe the universe is energy and that we are all part of that universe.


A bit like distant Reiki healing? Yes that would make sense. I can see that.


That all sounds very medical and, although there are certain facts about the pineal gland* and how it effects our conscious awareness in connection with our unconscious mind, I have never heard the medical profession talking about a Master Cell, and it sure would have been big news if it had been discovered, especially with the characteristics that you describe above. Do you have references to the source of this information and the studies that show these characteristics to have been proven?

*([link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pineal]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pineal[/link])


It does offer some insight and thank you for sharing. We are all learning, and the information you have shared is very useful. Again, most ofus here will support any healing method, but this discussion is primarily about theclaims that are being made in the name of that healing method rather than the method itself.

Love and Reiki Hugs

 

[Surender Rao]

The cruth of all these points lies in the faith in a Creator. That may be a hard word for a lot of people, especially scientists - but I believe finding a common ground lies in Quantum Physics. You believe there is an energy underlying everything in the Universe. You call it energy - I call it the Creator.

I'm only just getting into Quantum Physics so correct me if you know better but it has to do with the mind. Everything is just energy unless it is percieved by the mind. The mind - your perception of it makes it what it is. This makes it an intelligent substance as you or I are intelligent - it is interactive. this means if you picture it as something - it looks like it. If you don't look at it - it's not there and if you ask it a question - it'll answer you. Fair enough you don't want to label that as a consciousness - I get that! But I prefer to - as I prefer to look at a house with a certain feeling as having a personality. Same as a plant or a dog or a human.

So what do you think about that? If you disagree - tell me how you understand the underlying energy of the Universe.

The problem with prosecuting is that the law understands life differently. The popular science is way behind - they barely accept the mind as a tool. I doubt they even accept Reiki do they? I've certainly never heard of it other than on the internet.

Another point you should realise is that that website is not the heart of the technique. They probably simply don't know that. Go to www.thetahealing.com for the originator. I see no telling it will cure your cancer - just that she cured her own cancer, and the testimonials of others. She has the x-rays to prove it.

Any sceptics will say it was a doctor's mistake or something - but believe will take you a long way if you will let it.

 

[Special Ed Kid]

I am Sorry, but boy are you behind the times.

 

[RUIFSVIESIA]

Hi Dodlemcno

They are heading in the right direction with quantum physics, but as they will tell you for every step forward encounters multiple problems of understanding, if you add an extra dimension it open all sorts of possibilities which can take many years to understand before you add the next dimension, etc.

I it academic as to if the intelligence comes from a creator or other spiritualenergy beings, call them what you will, they are there, they do communicate if we allow them to and they assist us in our spiritual endeavours.

As for curing, surely that is the aim of all healers to cure things, or to set things in motion so the person cancure themselves which amount to the same thing. If we do not consciously accept that this can happen because of legislation, or rues put forth from so called governing bodies, or teachings from our tutors then we will not be able to do this.

Regardless of what modality we employ, we must embrace the concept of curative energy healing if we want it to manifest and become a reality, otherwise there is little point of becoming a healer.

 

[tinhfoil]

Healistic I'm sorry to say I took offence to your insult. If you're going to tell me something like that I would appreciate it if you posted a reason for saying that and enlighten me as opposed to put me down.

I personally would not expect my GP to suggest Reiki - but maybe I have not gone to the right ones. I am a very Spiritual person as of now living in a very Material World and I know there are people who accept ThetaHealing as a very powerful means of healing - as I'm sure you think of Reiki. I am not a healer and am new to the healing community but I have never heard popular science suggest Reiki as a proven means of healing. Wikipedia for example states-

"The majority of the scientific community considers Reiki to be pseudoscience.[9] Some studies have shown that the effect of Reiki is similar to that of a placebo.[10]"
and then
"Opponents of Reiki claim that it is exploiting the fear and hope of people with serious illnesses for money while offering only a placebo effect, noting that in some cases people reject conventional medicine and solely practice Reiki or other "alternative" therapies."
[link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reiki#Criticism]Wikipedia Reiki[/link]

I'm sure you don't agree with this. If I'm missing something please teach me!

Paul - yes I fully agree with you. Quantum Physics is I think the easiest way to come to an agreement with someone who doesn't believe in an intelligent non-physical 'entity/being/matter.' Yet yes - the intuition is way beyond the physical proof - which is the nature of human existence.

I agree we cannot do this if we are not allowed to because legislation blocks us physically or mentally. That is why I am trying to stick up for ThetaHealing because for some people it works.

And your last point I don't think anyone's disputing...

 

[Allan C]

Hello Dodlemcno and welcome to HP

While I cannot of course reply on behalf of Healistic, may I say that perhaps the brevity of his post was down to the time factor, since I see he's now offline

I note you have quoted from Wikipedia, which is now regarded as a useful source of information ... SOMETIMES! I scrolled up to the top of their page from the link you posted, and see this rider:



Not too sure just what that means, but assume it to be another way of wording their more usual "this topic is under dispute" or similar. Time for a pinch of salt, therefore, perhaps?

With regard to Reiki, we do have a thriving forum here with the title "Reiki and Other Energy Healing", to which I almost moved this thread when Healistic began it, but there was already the other thread here in General Therapies on Theta DNA healing, and it seemed logical to have both in the same forum. You'll find Reiki etc here:

[link=http://www.healthypages.net/forum/tt.asp?forumid=14]http://www.healthypages.net/forum/tt.asp?forumid=14[/link]

While here, could I just ask that when you quote several other members in one reply post*, that you indicate to which member the particular comments apply. Saves a lot of scrolling! Many thanks.

*I'm referring to your post # 9 here, which was in reply to myself according to the auto-line, but quoted three others.

Holistic

 

[Fitzsy]

Dodlemcno,

Wikipedia is not a definitive source for accurate information and the article on their regarding Reiki has been revised, edited and disputed over a very long time, due to skeptical moderators who refuse to let the beliefs behind reiki be expressed openly and insist on comparing it to other things such as faith healing etc. and insisting that it has no scientific basis. They don't seem to be so hard on other "beliefs" such as Christianity etc., even though Reiki has been around for many years (Usui Reiki from the early 1900's) and has millions of practitioners. Also they are quite happy for people to state things such as the existence of electrons even though nobody has actually ever seen an electron; that's just as much a belief as anything else.

Healistics answer of "I am Sorry, but boy are you behind the times." was, I'm sure, not intended to offend, but merely showing the suprise at your statement of "I doubt they even accept Reiki do they? I've certainly never heard of it other than on the internet.". Reiki is becoming accepted into the NHS and it's hard for people in the past couple of years not to have heard of reiki, although I know some people still haven't. Please do not take offence at the response.

Getting back to the area of Quantum Physics...


There are many scientists who do believe in a God. Calling the energy of the universe "the Creator" implies some sort of sentient being, but I just can't see that myself. That's not a problem, we are entitled to our own beliefs.


There are several different quantum theories and different scientists will agree with some schools of thought on those theories whilst disagreeing with other schools of thought. Whilst all the quantum theories fit in with existing quantum experiments, they do not fit in with each other and cannot be combined to a single unified theory of everything.

What you are describing fits in with the unusual principle of quantum particle duality, where a particle appears to be (in simple terms) in two places at once until it is 'observed' in some way; at which point the particle exists in one place and not the other (as has been shown in the double slit experiment which you can see on Wikidescribed fairly accurately[link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_slit]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_slit[/link]).

How you interpret what the strange properties of quantum particles actually means is up to you and is why there are so many quantum theories. You may be interested in a book by Amit Goswami called "Self-Aware Universe - How Consciousness Creates The Material World". Also, for some easy reading on some of the strange quantum principles have a read of Richard P Feynman's book "QED - The strange theory of light and matter".



Quite a jump from quantum theories to the making the universe intelligent. Intelligence is not something that is clearly d

 

[P4wn4g3]

Hmmmmmm... One ponders.

I'm sorry - I shouldn't have taken offence. I take that back. Maybe I am behind the times - maybe I'm just in the now. My now and my beliefs allow me to accept ThetaHealing as the most powerful form of healing I can possibly see. It seemed to me that this thread was against it making such claims and I hoped to promote an understanding of it. The Reiki was meant as a comparison in a way that I thought it was still thought of as an alternative, or new age therapy. In fact it seems it is past that but I'm sure it was once thought of as that. This is how ThetaHealing is thought of now - give it a chance.

I very much hope that I didn't come across as disrespecting Reiki - I know less about it, but I know that it works. There wouldn't be so many practitioners and patients if it didn't!


Of course the problem is the belief in 'The Creator' or whatever you want to call it. In the book ThetaHealing it states that the one thing you need before reading the book is a belief in God. I was then explaining how I could see scientists believing in the same thing from a scientific point of view, but clearly I don't know enough to do this!

In closing my weak arguement to go and do more research before I open my mouth so widely - I would like to say to those who believe in God and who wish to discover powerful methods of healing - please look into it further. For those who don't believe in God - please leave it to us idiots - spend time doing what you do believe in.

Peace and Love

 

[Gabriela Iris]

Be assured you didn't come across as disrespecting Reiki, just lacking in knowledge, and there's no harm in that. As previously said, we're all here to learn.


Unfortunate that a working healing system would limit itself in such a way, but hey, that's up to the originators. Their choice.


But you do know enough. You know that there is very little difference between science and religious beliefs, just a matter of semantics/terminology. That's most definitely a good place to start with your understanding of things.


By all means, please feel free to open your mouth. That's the whole point of discussion and learning.

Love and Reiki Hugs

 

[Preggers]

Thankyou Energylz - that's encouraging.

The only thing is that the decision was not the originator's to say you have to believe in God. The treatment is impossible without it. The treatment was not thought up and constructed in a human fashion - it was given to the lady over the course of many years. The treatment requires that you go up and command God to make the changes necessary and then you witness the changes in your imagination. Therefore God is the healer - the only part that the practitioner plays is the witness. Because without a witness - nothing ever happens.

The treatment also requires that when you're in need of guidance that you ask the Creator. You may say this is not actually the Creator but a spirit - but it is outlined in the book how this is not so. It includes the most detailed description of the Seven planes of existence I've seen. Maybe I'll start a topic about it. I find it most fascinating.

 

[SoundOfACrescendo]

William Lee Rand says about reiki:

Because Reiki is guided by the God-consciousness, it can never do harm. It always knows what a person needs and will adjust itself to create the effect that is appropriate for them. One never need worry about whether to give Reiki or not. It is always helpful.
In addition, because the practitioner does not direct the healing and does not decide what to work on, or what to heal, the practitioner is not in danger of taking on the karma of the client. Because the practitioner is not doing the healing, it is also much easier for the ego to stay out of the way and allow the presence of God to clearly shine through.

Like all healing styles they work on the Emotional, Mental, Physical, Spiritual levels. (as does Theta Healing and Reiki). IMHO Therefore, whether you believe they are channelled from God, Angels, Guides, or Universal energy. Whether you believe in a god or not is not the issue, for healing never has been only given to religious believers.

There are many healers out there who do not believe in a God. But that does not mean that theyare notvery effectively channel healing energies. I personally know some.

What I am trying to say is that IMHO No particular type or style is any better or worse than any other. If I was to dip a toe in the water so to speak, I would humbly suggest that perhaps the only thing that may effect the level of healing would be the State of mind, commitment or level of training of the healer.

If you genuingly believe in God then you must agree that he/she would never not give healing to anyone.

I believe in god, always have done always will do, and yes I am also aChristian Minister in a spiritualist church.
I know that my God would never accept that you have to demand healing from Him.