to open my own practice or not, that is the question.

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I'm going to be graduating school on Oct. 1.
Originally I was going to work for somebody else to get started and then work on opening my own practice. The closer I get to graduation, the less I want to work for somebody else.
The reason I've gone to school is so I can be more independent and work for myself. I would really like to phase out the working-for-someone-else-first transition and just rent office space and open up a practice right out of school.
Is this a good idea?? Should I just buck up and work for somebody else to gain experience and clientele??
Just looking for some advice before I make a big decision.
 


Way too little information in this post to advise you on employment or self-employment.

You need to consider your own personality, and your finances before you can make the decision. What is your panic threshold? How little money can you make, and still pay your business expenses and personal expenses? How determined are you to market, and are you outgoing and personable, or introverted and socially shy? What kind of community do you live in, is it a "good" market for alternative health care, or is it conservative?

Can you afford to make NO profit for an extended period of time? Can you sell each and every client you get on the table so they will rebook? How are your massage skills? Are you confident in your abilities to not behave like an unsure "newbie?" Can you bluff enough to seem confident that you are a good choice for people to spend their money, and do you know when to stop bluffing so that you will not be harming your credibility and (possibly) the client's health?

Can you afford to get set up in your own place and have you done the number crunching necessary to determine costs of start-up? (They can be much higher than you would think, depending on how picky you are...)

I'm not much of a list maker myself, but in this instance it would be very helpful to start a list of all the pros and cons of self-employment, all potential expenses (both monthly and start up), how many sessions you must do to break even, how many to take home a paycheck (remember to factor in up to 40% for taxes.)

FWIW, I'm self-employed and my income is secondary. We have never needed a penny from my job to put food on the table, pay utilities and mortgage, or any other personal expenses. My husband's income is sufficient.

But it was still VERY stressful until I became profitable, because MY income means we have a savings, take a vacation, save for retirement, go out to dinner, get the dog (and me) a haircut, etc. If your income needs to provide some of the household funds, you may be better off working for someone for awhile.
 


It's not a question of you wanting to open the practice or not. that is secondary. primary question is "can I open a practice?" right now in Sf, the regulations are silly. you need 1000 ft distance from another practice and not only that, there are people who tried opening their shop that say the city wants atleast a 6 months to a year of wait before your practice can be open legally waiting for approval. And in order to get a license to open shop, you would need a location that is approved. it's basically the zoning that prevents many people from opening shop. by the time you wait for approval, your losing money from rent. no building owner is going to wait for half a year for your massage business approval.

Then there is another problem of being hired as a contractor. the EDD have been fining practices 15000 bucks for hiring contractor because they say those are employees. they say a contractor have to find their own clients so that means an establishment can't book appointments for you. this is nonsense as I believe contractors are contracted out to do the service for the establishment. they are not contractors with the client. many business are now afraid to hire contractors cuz of this fine. if this is the case, what's the point of being a contractor? it's the same as running your own business if you have to find each and every client yourself as well as doing the paperwork. The EDD is just bullying small business for money and small business don't have funds to fight back. The IRS even define independent contractor differently then the EDD. these are the info I got from those that are fine 15000 bucks just because they book appointments for contractors, as the EDD see that as an employee status rather then contractor. Laws are stupid in this field and the amta or some massage organization needs to work on getting it change. Forget the regulation standard. it's useless if one can't practice massage even if one fulfill the qualification standard for massage.

Also people who work as emplyee will never get their worth since most business run their shop like a sweatshop. Massage envy is on of them, i think. the sad part is people can't get their business up due to law in this field. I don't know the laws for other city but sf is one place that is hell to open business according to those that have tried.
 


One thing that stands out in your post is thinking that working for someone else will gain you experience and clientele. While work experience is always valuable, and you would gain some reputation, I've found that it's generally a mistake to think that working for someone else will build your clientele. The clients of the establishment usually remain clients of the establishment. Depending on the work agreement, you may have agreed not to solicit establishment clients period upon leaving employment. In many cases even without a written prohibition, it would be bad form to do so (trying to take a spa's clients or a chiro's patients). And many people simply do not want to change the location where they have their massage.

Not saying it's impossible. But there can be ethical and logistical challenges to trying to claim the client list as your own when working for someone else.
 


If that's what you want to do that's a good idea.

Whether you think you can or you can't - you are right...

In other words it is really about what you think.

I think alot of the problems in starting out are actually being created by the profession (schools mainly) itself - saying things like "Don't quit your day job" or work for someone first.

I have just been reading "Think and Grow Rich" and he talks about having a burning desire to do something along with the Faith and persistence to do it. He gives an example about a ship of soldiers being dropped of on an island to fight and the ships being burned so there is no way off so they 'have to be successful' (The book was written in 1937)

That's sort of what I did when I started. I just couldn't take another day of working for someone and quit my job actually about 6 months before getting my license even and I started my practice the month after getting my license and never looked back.

Julie
http://www.thebodyworker.com
 


I went with the "sink or swim" method of business ownership, too, Julie. It has not been easy and I'm not getting rich, but I am making it, which was my only option. I HAVE to make it!
 
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    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅTODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: Rose๐ŸŒน - A sexy new addition to our line
  37. HollywoodSpa:
    Monday at ๐ŸŽญ๐—›๐—ข๐—Ÿ๐—Ÿ๐—ฌ๐—ช๐—ข๐—ข๐—— ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐ŸŽญ, 4578 Yonge St, Unit 100, North York, ON: MIMI, SISI & TRACY. โ˜Ž๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฎ-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿฐโ˜Ž When you visit ๐ŸŽญHollywood Spa๐ŸŽญ, you will be treated with tender care and your visit will be a fulfilling one. Nice Massage, Young Pretty Girls. We have Chinese, Japanese, Korean & other attendants. MIMI is a slim Chinese hottie with a great ass and liberal services. SISI is a sweet slim beauty
  38. ForeverWarden:
    Monday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ดโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Tiffany, Yumi & Cindy. Tiffany is a very slim, tall, young & beautiful lady. Donโ€™t miss out on this top tier honey. Yumi is a young half Chinese/half Korean very sexy & slim beauty, can do bbbj cim, excellent services... Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups
  39. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center :Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Kelly ,New Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Baby ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Yoyo ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella ,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry , address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  40. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: New Young girl Big-breasted big Big boobs big butts Ivy, Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Vita ,Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage May, Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage maggie,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. 2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 .โ˜Ž๏ธ4379857899 ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  41. HolidaySpa:
    Monday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: LUCY, YOYO & CINDY. LUCY is a beautiful and slim Asian lady with a happy disposition and great services. YOYO is a very beautiful slim Chinese lady, 165Cms & 116 Lbs with natural D Cups & a VERY sexy figure. She provides the best versatile PSE services. (Shhh, donโ€™t tell anyone: YOYO is a hidden GEM, & total SUPERSTAR!
  42. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Feifei๐Ÿ˜˜Our new Taiwanese beauty Feifei specializes in creating an intimate and deeply relaxing massage experience tailored to your desires. Her soft, skilled hands glide effortlessly, easing tension and awakening your senses with
  43. HolidaySpa:
    Monday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ:JENNIFER, LILY & CINDY. JENNIFER is slim and curvy, with long dark hair, land nice services. Lily is a young, extremely sexy Vietnamese beauty, very slender, standing 5โ€™4โ€ with perky C Cups, slim waist, amazing ass, & model walk. Lily is a real beauty who can make you very satisfied.
  44. AliceSpa:
    MONDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 3 Sexy Young Girls Today at Alice Spa. Open 10am to 9pm : BEBE (10am-9pm) : is a nice young Korean girl with a natural super busty DD Cup, petite small body, open minded bbby cim cof rim, always cooperative, excellent services. BELLA (10am-9pm) : is a young & pretty Taiwanese girl, busty D Cup, curvy body, deep bbbj
  45. JerryWangWw:
    Suko spa every day have 7 different masseuse working here please call 905-597-8880 ๐Ÿ’‹ ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿคฉ๐Ÿคฉ๐Ÿฅฐ๐Ÿฅฐ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’–
  46. Eva Vivian - Elegant Asian Sweetheart:
    ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ˜˜Iโ€™m Eva Vivian, your independent open minded slim sexy massage girl available working in Scarborough and North York. Available to provide you massage and extra services at Hawaii Health Spa in Scarborough and Greenway Spa in North York๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ˜˜ RED ROSE HEALTH SPA: โœ…Red Rose Health Spa @ 2 Invergordon Avenue in Scarboroughโœ… โ˜Ž๏ธ416-292-1268โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿ’ฏVivian available every Sunday and Monday from 10am to 9pm๐Ÿ’ฏ โ˜Ž๏ธCall Red Rose Health Spa 416-292-1268 to book appointment with Vivianโ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿ’‹Every m
  47. SugarLoveSpa:
    Monday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: ELLA, HELLEN & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž ELLA is a lovely Thai sweetheart, 5โ€™1โ€ with C Cups, smooth skin and a very pleasing attitude. HELLEN is a young & friendly lady with nice boobs and a slim body. She can do slide & daty & perform all kinds of services. LUCY is a cute young Viet
  48. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡10am-2am, Slim Petite Chinese Vivi & Slim Sexy Chinese Coco & Young Slim Sexy Chinese Jasmine
  49. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Today๐ŸŒธLynda๐ŸŒธYoyo๐ŸŒธTiffany๐ŸŒธNina๐ŸŒธBree Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  50. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Meet๐ŸŒธBrandy๐ŸŒธIvy๐ŸŒธKimCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
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