to rent, or not to rent...

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Hello All! I have a bit of a tough decision to make. Ive been in the industry off and on for about 7 years now. Somehow, I had always assumed I would one day grow up and get a 'real job'. In the interim, I was having a lot of fun doing my massage practice. Seems Im pretty darn good & have on numerous occasions developed a loyal following at whichever place I may have worked. So finally, after trying my hand at the corporate thing a couple of times (failing dreadfully on both accounts) I had the epiphany that maybe massage IS my ideal career! So here I am, working a couple of days for a McMassage, a couple of days for a chiropractor, and a couple of days for myself (rent Free in the chiro's office). The problem is, his office (and therefore mind as well) is faaaaar away from a good marketing area. I have found a space to rent, in a great area of town, very affordable, Lots of folks to market to, but the room is itty bitty! Does this give a poor image for new clients? Should I just stay put in my big comfy room in the country? I may have a few clients that will follow me into the big city, but not enough to survive off of. Also, I don't have much in the way of savings, probably just enough to decorate, but I do get the first 2 months rent free. Surely that will help, right? I've pro & con listed and still seem to be at draw. Any advicevwould be very very very appreciated!
Sincerely,
K.Lindsay
 
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Is the space affordable enough you could slowly transition from your two days for yourself at the chiro to two days at the new place, perhaps going down by half-days at a time over a month or so? Are there a lot of free or super low cost marketing opportunities in the city the studio is in?

If the room is large enough for a table at any angle, exercise ball or whatever you use for sitting, a small area to do intake/paperwork, an area to place a table to hold your music, stone warmer and other equipment, and has utilities included and a bathroom clients can access, I would be sorely tempted to go for it if you think the local market will bear another stand alone studio. Those are pretty much the criteria I used in deciding to go for the space I'm in the final seforum.xxxes of obtaining myself. I am co-locating in an existing esthitician's space. She uses it on an as-needed basis and I will be doing the same and only paying for the time I use it. If I could I would rent space in the same building this space is in but my budget won't allow it. If yours will and you can afford to 'test the waters' without getting into a long term lease, I'd go for it.
 
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Thank you soooo much for your prompt response! I can easily dedicate at least one full day a week to the new place, and Should be able to drum up enough work to cover the rent. The nice thing is, even if I didn't do one single massage in the new room, I can still pay the rent at the new place w my income from my other jobs! I guess my main concern was the room. I think it is approximately 10x11. The bigger room may just have me spoiled. ;)
K.Lindsay
 
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I think you can make a small room work fine. If you will be in a posh area, the nice (and most important) thing you can do to help retain those clients is to make sure your small room is done very nicely. You wouldn't want to have it thrown together or have items that looked worn or used, etc. in it, if your demographic doesn't function that way.

An example, I have a pretty high-end demographic, but my style is pretty down to earth. I keep everything clean & neat, looking new and with minimal clutter. I recently referred one of my clients to someone else, and they are not snobs (otherwise they wouldn't see me), but they absolutely refuse to return to this individual, because the space is cluttered and looks "old" - their words. You'd think the bodywork would be the most important thing... but, in this case, it just doesn't matter.

Two nice cross-threads with extra threads within them:

 
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Oh my gosh 10 x 11 is not itty bitty at all!
If you are organized you will be suprised at how much you can fit it there.
I don't think that size room is a turnoff for clients - I have gone to several places where the room felt like a closet! I should have measured, I was so appalled, but they were maybe 6 x 9.
I felt really claustrophobic in those and did not go back. LOTS of spas have tiny treatment rooms - less than 8 x 10.

My room is 16 x 16 - and now I am spoiled too.

But I have worked in MANY rooms smaller....not sayin' I liked it...

Let's see...I have worked in three rooms that were LESS than 8ft wide...barely 7 ft wide. In two of them I had to angle the table a little and it was sometimes a squeeze for me to work around the table. I often would push the table over (client and all) while I worked. Luckily they were smooth floors.

Check out those other threads that pueppi posted for more helpful info.
 
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*** Imagining taking a ride on Squashy's mobile massage table ***

klind, you surely can make 10'x11' work! WHen my hubby was working solo, he managed everything into 10'x12' (I think-- that was by counting the tiles on the floor). He had a 2-drawer file cabinet for his client files (we still use it), and just enough space for everything else. The treatment room in our new office is about the same size as you mentioned (it's technically 10'x12', but one wall has cabinets all across it-- LOVING that part!), so that takes out over a foot. You can do it!
 
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That's so funny - sometimes before I would move them I would tell them they were going for a ride! :lol:
 
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So I took my handy tape-measure to work with me yesterday, and if turns out my room at the McMassage is 8x11 and is plenty big enough! The one at the Chiro's is still pretty huge, bug its good to know I can easily fit into the smaller size!

Now I'm thinking about raising my rates to fit the new clientele. In fact, its a pretty nice area & if I didn't I could be seen as less desirable.

Do any of you have advice or experience with pricing in an upscale area?

K.Lindsay
 
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klind06 said:
Do any of you have advice or experience with pricing in an upscale area?
The best way to price is to get an idea of what others are charging in the area. Each city and state is so different, that you need to price as to what you feel is fair and what the market in your area will bear.

My area is anywhere from $75 - 95 / hour. I know people that charge $125 for ~ 1 hour and 15 mins.

I currently charge $75, with plans to move my pricing to either $85 or $95, depending on how I feel it will affect my practice. I take into acct. my rent, my location, my clients (and their preferences), if I will give a loyalty discount for the period of one year (new clients $95; and old clients $85 for a year to come)... and, if the market (at this time) will bear moving my pricing up at all. The economy is bad after all, I am am priviledged to still be in practice. I am not sure that even though people charge more around me, if raising my rates may cause me to have less clients or a drop in my practice. Although many of my clients are quite wealthy, it doesn't mean they are willing to part with their money easily. So, these are all things to think about.

That's my list. See what you think.
 
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    Full season wellness center: New Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Sasa ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Julie ,Young girl Big-breasted big big butts Aris ,Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage maggie,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. ๐Ÿ  2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 โ˜Ž๏ธ 4379857899 ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„
  37. JerryWangWw:
    Suko every day have 7 masseuse working here please call 905-597-8880 ๐Ÿ’‹ ๐Ÿฅฐ๐Ÿฅฐ๐Ÿฅฐ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿคฉ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ’‹
  38. Shangri-la Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™€๐Ÿ’–WooHoo Wed๐Ÿ’– Ultimate destination for Asian massages๐ŸŽ‰ Two fab spots: Richmond Hill & Oakvilleโœจ Your passport to paradise with 10 enchanting girls fr China, HK, Japan & Korea โ€”Helen, Cindy, Coco, Echo, ๐Ÿ†•Lisa, JPN Yui, Tina, ๐Ÿ†•Akino, Lucy & Dorisโ€” ready to pamper you๐ŸŽ๐Ÿ Ring us ๐Ÿ“ž647-695-6354 or text us ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169โœจ 160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, RichmondHill ๐Ÿ’ฐWhere Eastern charm meets Western comfort - your bliss awaits๐Ÿ™Œ
  39. Sparkling Spa:
    โšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸSPARKLING SPAโšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸ โœ…50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8โœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒMarkham, ON L3R 8X4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phoneโ˜Ž๏ธ (West of Warden & 16th Ave) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅSUPERSTAR SERVICE QUEENS AVAILABLE AT SPARKLING SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅSEXY NEW YOUNG GIRLS ALWAYS WORKING - Todayโ€™s Schedule isโ€ฆ๐Ÿ”ฅ Mimi๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ˜˜A captivating and alluring new massage girl from Korea whose elegance and c
  40. New spring spa@:
    ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’–sexy hot ๐ŸŒน ๐ŸŒน Philippine ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒนMalaysia ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒนkorean girls๐ŸŒน ๐ŸŒนworking ๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’—at markham โ˜Ž๏ธ416-669-8508 ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹โค๏ธโ€๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธโ€๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฆnew girl arrive Judy mixes Philippine girl DD size busty, Bbbj , CIM , face spit . Call ask detail
  41. Eva Vivian - Elegant Asian Sweetheart:
    ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ˜˜Iโ€™m Eva Vivian, your independent open minded slim sexy massage girl available working in Scarborough and North York. Available to provide you massage and extra services at Hawaii Health Spa in Scarborough and Red Rose Health Spa in Scarborough๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ˜˜ RED ROSE HEALTH SPA: โœ…Red Rose Health Spa @ 2 Invergordon Avenue in Scarboroughโœ… โ˜Ž๏ธ416-292-1268โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿ’ฏVivian available every Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Wednesday from 10am to 9pm๐Ÿ’ฏ โ˜Ž๏ธCall Red Rose Health Spa 416-292-1268 to book appointmen
  42. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅTODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: Coco๐Ÿ˜˜- A young cute blonde Asian girl
  43. AliceSpa:
    WEDNESDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—” 416-298-0898, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough 3very nice girls here today. Open 10am to 9pm: CICI : is a petite cutie from Vietnam, all natural C Cups, small waist, firm ass, young innocent face. Her long hair shows youthful vitality. She is friendly & gentle, sometimes wild. Cici is very flexible and open minded, deep bbbj cim, great services.
  44. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Today๐ŸŒธChristina๐ŸŒธAkame๐ŸŒธFran๐ŸŒธMonika๐ŸŒธCindy Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  45. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Meet๐ŸŒธLuna๐ŸŒธValentina๐ŸŒธCindyCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  46. Annie Spa:
    Our sexy busty Singapore girl Mia is back working at Annie spa with sexy sweet busty boobs Jenny. Itโ€™s big boobs days today at Annie Spa! Come see who has the biggest boobs and get your card stamped so you are on your way to a free massage๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAY
  47. wilson holistic centre:
    ๐Ÿ’•Beautiful Korean girls work at 382 Wilson Ave ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’• โ˜Ž๏ธ 416-840-0071
  48. H-MomoBeauty:
    MoonMoon spa/416 887 8801/8131Yonge st #203 Persian girl Jasmine &slim Asian girl today
  49. New Oriental Health Centre:
    ๐ŸซฆHappy, Vivian, Nayla & Sunny are in today ๐Ÿ“žCall ๐Ÿ“ฒ Text: (647) 381-2688 ๐Ÿ‘ Happy is a very talented Korean Babe ๐Ÿ‘„Vivian is a Very Horny & Vivacious Chinese Girl!๐Ÿ’„Nayla is a Tall, Young, Beautiful & Curvy Spanish Girl๐Ÿ’‹ Sunny is another Young Hot Korean Girl ~ All Our Girls are Extremely Open-Minded ๐Ÿค— Open 8am til Late #26, 10 East Wilmot Street, Richmond Hill.
  50. HollywoodSpa:
    Wednesday at ๐ŸŽญ๐—›๐—ข๐—Ÿ๐—Ÿ๐—ฌ๐—ช๐—ข๐—ข๐—— ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐ŸŽญ, 4578 Yonge St, Unit 100, North York, ON: NICOLE & SISI. โ˜Ž๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฎ-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿฐโ˜Ž When you visit ๐ŸŽญHollywood Spa๐ŸŽญ, you will be treated with tender care and your visit will be a fulfilling one. Nice Massage, Young Pretty Girls. We have Chinese, Japanese, Korean & other attendants. NICOLE is petite, slim and very pretty, with C Cups , long hair & a slim waist. She has nice massage and great services.
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