Vatican City

[kitkat77]

Trmpficking in persons is a very real and very bad problem. I believe that is what the Vatican is primarily interested in, although I'm sure they're not against casting a wider net as far as that goes.

 

[dawnsonlina]

I think it would be a challenge for yourself (anyone) to have sex within the walls of the Vatican. I managed to fool around with a guy at a swingers club once or twice Right mpter I thought about (but haven't set up) the goal to do so. I would imagine no one on this site would be offended by what I just said. But if you are, I'm not degrading or poking fun at the Catholic religion at all. Just a thought

 

[Katy M]

italy was one of the ancient lands of Reviewee flowing sex.

"if the pope knows anything about sex, then he shouldn't" - GBS

 

[liucai86090]

Hi Bros,

Time changes so do human and those people in the missionary are humans like us. They faced lots of temptation in their everyday life. Human are prone to make error. Let's be rationale and treat them like one of us.

Reviewom fairguy

 

[binababie]

Fuck off.... plenty of action going on here.! Ok... Its all kept quiet as fucking little boys etc is illegal. The priests get sent to South America (And they continue down there) sick fuckers.

 

[Akon Lova]

more religous crap dont like it much, but its what i must do as a Monger Intel Soldier, keeping the mongering community infomred on current events


Vatican call to punish prostitution clients


The Vatican is calling for clients of prostitutes to not only face legal action but to also receive counseling and other help to stem what it called a form of "modern day slavery."

Associated Press reviews that the Pontifical Council for the Pastoral Care of Migrants and Itinerant People has also called for greater protection of women through better enforced laws on prostitution and trmpficking. It also urged the church and community at large to provide alternatives to women who are trmpficked or otherwise forced into prostitution.

The recommendations are contained in a communique issued on Monday that stemmed Reviewom a two-day symposium on prostitution and human trmpficking that the Vatican hosted last month.

In the document, the Vatican called for the clients of prostitutes to be punished, since they fuel the industry, but also to be counselled about why they are buying sex and how it demeans women.

"The 'client' needs more than social condemnation and having to face the full rigors of the law," the communique said. "He must also be helped to face his deeper problems and to find other ways of dealing with his personal needs. Buying sex Reviewom a prostitute does not solve problems that arise Reviewom loneliness, Reviewustration or a lack of true relationships."

Women forced into prostitution must be protected by the law because they are victims of violence and exploitation and have had their fundamental human rights violated, it said.

http://www.cathnews.com/news/507/68.php

 

[pinkwafer]

this world is screwed up theyll let there be a christian state but there cant be a jewish state, and they fought hard and scarificed much to keep their country, and now we're makign them give up their land for other people

Vatican urges jail for kerb crawlers

John Hooper in Rome
Wednesday July 13, 2005
The Guardian

The Vatican has for the first time backed the jailing of prostitutes' clients as a way of ending what it calls "a form of modern slavery".
A document issued by the Vatican department that deals with migration said clients "must receive something more than a social condemnation and be conReviewonted with the full rigour of the law". It cited with approval legislation introduced in Sweden in 1999 which provided for sentences of up to six months in jail.

The statement, issued mpter a two-day conference on prostitution and human trmpficking hosted by Vatican in June, said the number of women around the world taking to the streets had "grown dramatically". It said "a growing number of men search out prostitutes more to dominate them than for sexual satisfaction", adding that the clients needed help as well as punishment because of their "deep-rooted problems".

At the heart of the Vatican's document was the argument that "selling your body on the street is not something you would voluntarily choose to do". Prostitution was thus "an offence to the dignity [of women] and a serious violation of human rights".

Missionaries, monks, nuns, priests, bishops and psychologists Reviewom numerous countries took part in last month's conference, organised by the Japanese cardinal Stephen Fumio Hamao. Its conclusions were welcomed by the Italian church's leading expert on prostitution, Father Oreste Benzi, a Rimini parish priest who said a policy of inflicting very high fines on kerb crawlers had virtually ended streetwalking in what was once one of Italy's most vice-ridden towns.

The Italian parliament is considering a bill to change the law on prostitution. But several MPs, on the left and the right, expressed reservations about the Vatican's new stance.

Reviewanco Grillini, a member of the main opposition party, the Left Democrats, and a leader of Italy's main gay rights group, Arcigay, said: "Prostitution, if it is between two consenting adults, ought not to be considered an offence." Gaetano Pecorella, of the governing Forza Italia party, said: "Fines are fine. In fact, they are in our bill. But I would not want to go further than that."

Three years ago, the International Organisation for Migration estimated that criminals were trmpficking four million people every year into prostitution and exploitative work, in a trade that yielded $7bn (£3.9bn) annual profits.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/pope/story/0,12272,1527147,00.html

 

[Danielle]

more religious crap, but worth posting, seeing how things are running in the vatican, just an update to my last post really.

Always remember: "SEPERATION of CHURCH and STATE"


Code: ZE05071120

Date: 2005-07-11

Church's Strategy to Help Women of the Street

Initiative of the Pontifical Council for Migrants and Travelers

VATICAN CITY, JULY 11, 2005 (Zenit.org).- Here is the final document of the first International Meeting of Pastoral Care for the Liberation of Women of the Street, held in Rome on June 20-21, at the initiative of the Pontifical Council for Migrants and Travelers.

* * *

THE EVENT

The meeting was held at the Pontifical Council for the Pastoral Care of Migrants and Itinerant People in Rome. In addition to the superiors of the Pontifical Council, it was attended by five Dicastery officials; two Bishops; various priests, religious and lay people; delegates Reviewom the Bishops' Conferences of nineteen European nations, namely Albania, Germany, Belgium, Bosnia-Herzegovina, the Czech Republic, Denmark (Nordic countries), Scotland, Slovenia, Spain, Estonia, Holland, Hungary, England, Ireland, Italy, Montenegro, Poland, Portugal and Switzerland; and delegates Reviewom other continents, including experts, namely Reviewom the Democratic Republic of Congo, India, Nigeria and Thailand. Also present were delegates Reviewom the massageplanet (Union of Superiors General) and the Imassageplanet (International Union of Superiors General); CELAM; the Pope John XXIII Communities' Association; the Legion of Mary; representatives Reviewom other associations that carry out apostolic work in this area; and a representative Reviewom Caritas Internationalis.

mpter a warm welcome, the President of the Pontifical Council, H.E. Stephen Fumio Cardinal Hamao, opened the proceedings by highlighting the importance of this issue, which calls for the attention and pastoral care of the universal Church and the particular Churches.

Archbishop Agostino Marchetto, Secretary of the Dicastery, presented the theme and agenda of the meeting and also proposed some assessment criteria and pastoral courses of action regarding this issue. In his speech, entitled "Street Women Today, a Pastoral Challenge," he highlighted a vast and important field of apostleship, which also requires new pastoral agents. He also referred with concern to human beings, many of whom live in a situation where their minimum personal rights are not respected, as their own bodies are the object of trading and trmpficking in people.

The subsequent speeches by participants at the meeting drew attention to various aspects of the current situation of women of the street. The Church looks on them with compassion and a sense of Christian welcome, and proposes consideration of the underlying spiritual and theological values of a pastoral commitment that reveals God's benevolence regarding them, as everyone is aware of the many tragedies that lie buried beneath such experience. This gives rise to particular concern regarding the dramatic increase in the number of women and girls who are sexually exploited, creating an urgent need for pastoral action in synergy that goes beyond existing praiseworthy and generous reception initiatives and the current difficulty of including such actions within existing ecclesial structures.

Mrs. Mariette Grange, delegate of the International Catholic Migration Commission (ICMC), developed the theme entitled "People Trmpficking, with Particular Attention to Women Trmpficked for Prostitution," while Professor Mario Pollo's review, "Overall Vision Resulting Reviewom a Preparatory Survey," gave an overview of the situation, taken Reviewom replies to a questionnaire, which was previously sent out to all participants. The results indicate a certain lack of the more specifically pastoral aspect. Finally, Father Oreste Benzi, head of Pope John XXIII Communities' Association, gave his opinions on the theme: "For a Pastoral Ministry of Redemption and Liberation."

Six experts took part in the round table: Sister Eugenia Bonetti, I.S.M.C., Reviewom Imassageplanet; Father Ottavio Cantarello, SC, Director of the "Samuel" Community, proposed by the Italian Conference of Major Superiors; Ms. Sيle Nي Chochlيn, Reviewom the Council of the Legion of Mary; Sister Lalini Gunawardene, RGS; Sister Michelle Lopez, RGS, Reviewom the Fountain of Life Center; and Doctor Paolo Ramonda, Vice-President of the Pope John XXIII Communities' Association. This round table dealt with drawing up "guidelines for specific pastoral care."

At the end of this international meeting, which included exchange of news, pastoral opinions, experiences and in-depth investigations, interesting initiatives were considered and acknowledged, taking account of the diverse situations that exist in various countries. Rempfirming their intention to pursue the work concluded during these days, in a spirit of collaboration and with a degree of coordination, the participants examined tactics and strategies for the future, and methodologies and objectives, which are summarized in the following conclusions and recommendations.

CONCLUSIONS

Some key points

1. Prostitution is a form of modern-day slavery

It is important to recognize that sexual exploitation, prostitution and trmpficking of human beings are all acts of violence against women and as such constitute an offense to the dignity of women and are a grave violation of basic human rights. The number of women of the street has increased dramatically throughout the world for a variety of complex economic, social and cultural reasons.

In some cases the women involved have experienced pathological violence or sexual abuse since childhood. Others have been driven into prostitution in order to have sufficient means of living for themselves or their families. Some search for a father figure or a loving relationship with a man. Others are trying to pay off unreasonable debts. Some leave situations of poverty in their country of origin, believing that the job being offered overseas will change their lives. It is clear that the sexual exploitation of women that pervades the world's social fabric is a consequence of many unjust systems.

Many women of the street who are in prostitution in the so-called First World come Reviewom the Second, Third and Fourth Worlds. In Europe and elsewhere many of them have been trmpficked Reviewom other countries to meet a growing consumer demand. However not all of those who have been trmpficked are in prostitution and not all prostitutes have been trmpficked. Human slavery is not new. The International Labor Organization (ILO) estimates that currently there are 12.3 million people enslaved in enforced and bonded labor and that about 2.4 million of these are victims of the trmpficking "industry," whose annual income is estimated at $10 billion.

2. The link between migration, human rights and trmpficking

The link between migration, human rights and trmpficking has gradually been discovered, and broader forms of trmpficking have been recognized and analyzed (debt bondage, slavery, sexual or labor exploitation). The definition of trmpficking used in the U.N. Protocol to Prevent and Suppress and Punish Trmpficking in Persons Especially of Women and Children is the one most commonly accepted. This Protocol, as well as the Council of Europe's Convention on Action Against Trmpficking, sees it as a gross violation of human rights and an offence against the dignity of the human person.

While those who migrate to meet economic needs and those smuggled or trmpficked have many vulnerabilities in common, there are important differences between migration and human trmpficking and smuggling. Macro development policies in fact often leave women in debt and unemployed. They migrate in order to live and to help their families/communities. In any case efforts to tackle trmpficking and smuggling must not overlook the desire of women to migrate in order to improve their own lives and the ones of their families and children.

3. The causes of prostitution

In order to develop an effective pastoral response -- the aim of this international meeting -- it is important to know the factors that push or pull women into prostitution, the strategies used by pimps and exploiters to keep them under their control, the patterns of movement Reviewom countries of origin to countries of destination and institutional resources for addressing needs. The international community and many NGOs [nongovernmental organizations] throughout the world are increasingly seeking to tackle criminal activities and to protect trmpficked persons. They have developed a wide variety of interventions with reference to prevention and rehabilitation.

4. Who is the victim?

She is a human being, in many cases crying for help because selling her body on the street is not what she would choose to do voluntarily. She is torn apart, she is dead psychologically and spiritually. Each person has a different story, mainly one of violence, abuse, mistrust, low self esteem, fear, lack of opportunities. Each has experienced deep wounds that need to be healed. What are they looking for? They seek relationships, love, security, mpfection, mpfirmation and a better future for themselves and for their families. They want to escape Reviewom poverty and lack of opportunities and they want to build a future.

5. Who is the "client"?

The "consumer" has also deep-seated problems because he too, in a certain sense, is enslaved. A large number are over 40 years of age, but there is an increasing number of younger men between 16-24 involved. It is clear Reviewom research that men increasingly seek out prostitutes for reasons of domination rather than for sexual gratification. In social and personal relationships they experience a loss of power and of masculinity and are unable to develop relationships of mutuality and respect. They seek out prostitutes because it gives them an experience of total domination and control of a woman for a specific period of time.

The "client" needs more than social condemnation and having to face the full rigors of the law. He must also be helped to face his deeper problems and to find other ways of dealing with his personal needs. Buying sex Reviewom a prostitute does not solve problems that arise Reviewom loneliness, Reviewustration or a lack of true relationships.

6. Relationships between men and women

The relationship between men and women is unequal because violence or the threat of violence give men privilege and power and can make women silent and passive. Women and children are often pushed out onto the street because of the violence they experience Reviewom male members in the home who have internalized the violence embedded in ideologies and social structures. Sadly women also participate in oppression and violence towards other women, and they are often found within criminal networks connected with the growth of prostitution.

Role of the Church

7. The Church has a pastoral responsibility to promote the human dignity of persons exploited through prostitution and to advocate for their liberation and economic, educational and formative support. The Church must take up the defense of the legitimate rights of women.

8. In addition to responding to the pastoral needs of the women of the street, the Church must prophetically denounce the injustices and violence perpetrated against women wherever and in whatever circumstances this may occur. The Church must also invite all men and women of good will to commit themselves to sustaining human dignity by putting an end to the sexual exploitation.

9. There is a need for renewed solidarity in the Church and among religious congregations, lay movements, institutions and associations in giving greater "visibility" and attention to the pastoral care of women exploited by prostitution, without forgetting the good news of full liberation in Jesus Christ.

10. In attending to the needs of women throughout the centuries, religious congregations of women especially have continually considered the signs of the times, discovering the validity and relevance of their charismas in many new social contexts. Today women religious worldwide through faithful reflection on the Word of God and the social doctrine of the Church seek new ways of giving prophetic witness to the dignity of women. They do this by offering a wide variety of services in outreach units, drop-in centers, shelters and smpe houses, training and education programs to women of the streets. Members of contemplative orders show their solidarity, by providing support through prayer and, when possible, financial assistance.

11. Training programs for pastoral agents are necessary to develop skills and strategies in order to tackle prostitution and trmpficking. These are important ways of engaging priests, religious men and women and lay people in the prevention and reintegration of victims. Collaboration and communication among Churches of origin and destination are seen to be essential.

GENERAL PROPOSITIONS

12. Church action to liberate women of the street

When tackling prostitution, a multidimensional approach is needed. It must involve both men and women in mutual transformation, and human rights must be at the core of any strategy. All Christians are called to be in solidarity with those trapped on the streets. In any case men have an important role to play in helping to achieve gender equality in a context of reciprocity and just differences. The exploiters (generally men) who are "clients," trmpfickers, sex tourists, etc., need education in both the hierarchy of human values and in human rights. They also need to hear a clear condemnation of their evil and injustice by the Church, if not by the state.

13. Role of the episcopal conferences

The Episcopal Conferences in countries involved in prostitution as Reviewuit of human trmpficking must assume the responsibility of denouncing this social scourge. There is also a need to promote respect, understanding, compassion and a nonjudgmental attitude towards women who have been caught in prostitution.

Priests and pastoral agents have also to be encouraged in facing this slavery pastorally.

14. Role of religious congregations

Religious congregations must draw on the strength of their convictions and join forces to inform, educate and act. They should emphasize values of mutual respect, healthy family relationships and community, together with the need for balance and harmony in interpersonal relationships among men and women. It is urgent that the various projects sponsored by religious congregations, which are aimed at assisting the repatriation and social reintegration of women who have been caught in prostitution, also receive adequate financial support. Meetings of religious associations working in different parts of the world to assist the women caught up in prostitution are recommended.

The involvement and support of the clergy is also important, both for the formation of young people, especially of young males, and for the rehabilitation of the "consumers" of the sex trade, among other activities.

15. Collaboration

Full collaboration among public and private agencies is required if sexual exploitation is to be obliterated.

It is also necessary to collaborate with the mass media to ensure correct communication about this problem.

The Church must demand the enforcement of laws protecting women against the scourge of prostitution and trmpficking. It is also important to advocate for effective measures against the demeaning portrayal of women in advertising.

The Christian community needs to be challenged to work with national and local authorities to help find alternative resources to live for the women of the street.

16. Dealing with the victims and the "clients"

For the victims the healing process is long and difficult. Victims need to be helped to find a home, a family environment and a community in which they feel accepted and loved and where they can begin to rebuild their lives and their futures. This will enable them to regain their self-esteem and trust, their joy in living and to start a new life without feeling stigmatized.

Liberation and reintegration require acceptance and understanding Reviewom the community. The healing process is helped through genuine love and by the provision of different opportunities that can help fulfill the deep desires of young women who are searching for security, mpfirmation and opportunities for a better life. The treasure of a faith (cf. Matthew 6:21) which is alive, in spite of everything or rediscovered, will help immensely as well as awareness of the love of God, merciful and great in love.

The "clients" need both information and formation with regard to gender, respect, dignity, interpersonal values and the whole area of relationships and sexuality. In a society where money and wealth are dominant values, appropriate relationships and sexuality education are necessary for the holistic formation of different groups of people. This type of education can explore the true nature of interpersonal relationships based not on egoistic interest or exploitation but on the dignity of a human person, who should be respected and appreciated as a God given gift. In this context, believers have to remember that sin is an offence also to God, to be avoided by all efforts, with the grace of the Lord.

17. Education and research

With attention to the target group it is important to approach the problems of prostitution, without neglecting the Christian vision of life, with youth groups in schools, parishes, and families in order to develop correct ideas about human relationships, gender, respect, dignity, human rights and sexuality. Of course formators and educators should take into account the cultural context in which they are working. However they should not allow a sense of embarrassment to prevent them Reviewom engaging in appropriate dialogue on these topics in order to create awareness and concern about the use and abuse of sex and love.

The link between violence and "patriarchy" and the effect of both on women need to be explored and reflected on at every level of society, particularly in terms of their effects on family life. The practical implications of internalized violence need to be clearly named in the case of both men and women.

The complex phenomenon of the feminine face of migration needs to be studied in a way that respects both women's dignity and their rights.

Education and awareness raising are vital in order to tackle gender injustice and create gender equality in a context of reciprocity and just differences. Both men and women need to be made aware of how women are exploited and to know their rights and responsibilities.

Men in particular need initiatives that focus on violence against women, sexuality, HIV/AIDS, fatherhood and families, respect and care for women and girls, mutuality in relationships, and the examination and critique of traditional norms of manhood.

The Church needs to teach and spread its moral and social doctrine, which gives clear guidelines for behavior and calls for a commitment to work for justice. Working at various levels for the liberation of women of the streets -- at local, national and international levels is an act of true Christian discipleship, an expression of true, Christian love (cf. 1 Corinthians 13:3). Developing the Christian and social conscience of people through preaching the Gospel of salvation, teaching and various formation initiatives is essential.

Formation for seminarians, young religious men/women and priests is necessary so that they have the skills and attitudes necessary to work compassionately also with women trapped in prostitution and with their "clients."

18. Provision of services

(a) The Church can offer a wide variety of services to victims of prostitution: shelters, referrals, health care, telephone hot lines, legal assistance, counseling, vocational training, education, substance rehabilitation, advocacy and information campaigns, protection against threats, links with family, assistance for voluntary return and reintegration into their country of origin, assistance in obtaining a visa to remain when return is impossible. In any case the meeting with Jesus Christ, the Good Samaritan and Savior, is a very important factor of liberation and redemption also for the victims of prostitution (cf. Acts 2:21; 4:12; Mark 16:16; Romans 10:9; Philippians 2:11; 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10).

(b) Those who work directly with women who have been trmpficked for prostitution need to be especially skilled in dealing with them in order not to place them in danger.

(c) Reaching out to women and girls of the street is a complex and demanding enterprise. Prevention and awareness raising activities need to happen in countries of origin, transit and destination of trmpficked women. Reintegration initiatives are important in countries of origin, if they return there. Advocacy and networking are also important.

(d) The legal aspects of prostitution and trmpficking -- prohibition, regulation, abolition -- must be attended to in every country. Examples of good practice should be shared (e.g. Reviewom Sweden).

(e) Planned Church projects that are multidimensional would provide visible signs of diocesan or parish concern and commitment.

FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS

For bishops

19. Include the topics of sexual exploitation, trmpficking and smuggling of human beings in the "ad limina" visits.

20. Suggest that bishops encourage promotion and protection of the human dignity of women and minors in their pastoral letters.

For local communities

21. There is a need for schools and parishes to provide education and awareness programs on sexuality, mutual respect and healthy interpersonal relationships, especially between men and women, in the light of the Word of God and of the moral teaching of the Church.

22. Formation and professional training programs for pastoral agents must become part of the preparation for their ministry.

23. Networks must be strengthened among all groups involved in the provision of pastoral care, e.g., volunteers, associations, religious congregations, NGOs and ecumenical and interreligious groups.

For religious congregations/diocesan clergy/national conferences of religious

Education and awareness programs regarding sexual exploitation of women and minors should be provided in seminaries and in initial and ongoing formation programs of religious congregations, both of men and women.

National Conferences of Religious are encouraged to appoint a person to serve as a networking link within and beyond their country, in this pastoral sector.

For society in general

26. The sexual exploitation of women and minors is an issue for the entire society, not merely for women.

27. There is a need to focus attention on the "client" as an element of the consumer system underlying the sex trade.

It is important to use appropriate language and terminology when referring to the phenomena of sexual exploitation and prostitution.

Society has a responsibility to provide alternative resources to live for persons seeking to "leave the street."

[Translation issued by the Pontifical Council for Migrants and Travelers; adapted slightly here]

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[ChivaChiva]

woman as the victim? How is that - mpter the transaction the woman has the money and still has the pussy and the man is hungry for more pussy a few hours later.

 

[~Nikki~ choke it]

huh aint something i just opened my own whoring business, this forum will be working the street like a crack whore looking for glass pipes.

Vatican slams sex trade
Church document describes prostitution as 'modern slavery'
(ANSA) - Vatican City, July 11 - The Vatican on Monday called prostitution a modern form of slavery and said the women involved should be helped not condemned .

In a document drawing together the conclusions of its first conference on prostitution, the Vatican stressed that most women were victims of the trade, who deserved pity and protection .

"The victim is a human being, in many cases crying out for help, because selling her body on the street is not something she would choose to do voluntarily," the document said .

Describing the sex trade as a form of slavery that leaves women "torn to shreds" and "psychologically and spiritually dead", the Vatican said that it represented a "serious violation of basic human rights." It also urged the Catholic Church to focus on the men who visit streetwalkers, pointing out that the system would collapse without clients .

"[They are] one of the key elements in the 'consumer' system that is at the basis of the sex trade," it said .

Don Oreste Benzi, head of a Catholic community which works to help prostitutes on Italian streets, made a similar point during the conference, which brought together experts and top Church officials Reviewom 19 European nations .

He added that the situation was getting worse, with clients becoming increasingly "perverse" .

"Now the criminals are providing minors for prostitution, above all young Romanian girls, which constitute the bulk of the demand Reviewom clients," he said .

The paper cited figures showing that about half a million women Reviewom Eastern Europe have been reduced to slavery and forced onto the streets of Western European cities .

Italy, for instance, has seen a massive boom in foreign prostitutes in recent years .

Of the country's estimated 70,000 prostitutes, more than 40,000 are thought to be immigrants, mainly Reviewom Nigeria, Russia and Eastern Europe .

Official estimates indicate that 16.6% of women working as sex slaves in Italy are Reviewom Ukraine, 15% Reviewom Romania, 11.89% Reviewom Moldova and 7% Reviewom Albania .

Nearly two-thirds of these are kidnapped while over a third are purchased in their homeland by Italian crime gangs, according to National Mmpia Prosecutor Pier Luigi Vigna. Only a tiny minority come voluntarily, and they are nearly always trying to escape situations of war or desperate poverty, he said .

Italian police have launched a major drive to help women off the streets in recent years, with special phone lines and a particular emphasis on allaying fears of prosecution or deportation .

The police have repeatedly stressed they are more interested in catching the organized crime gangs behind the trade and that women who come forward of their own accord will face no charges and will be helped to reintegrate into society .

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