Victoria at Pantera Spa

[fishie]

So, finally checked out Pantera Spa after the number of favourable reviews here. It used to be something like a Lotus/Madam Cleo's but is now an AMP. There were 4 girls working including Amy and a couple of older ones. Victoria was by far the cutest. SHe is a real spinner and is 5 ft nothing, from China. Cute face, very nice spinner body, nice butt and proportionate tits. All in a very pleasant package. Her english is surprisingly good.

Anyway, paid for the hour and took a shower. SHe comes in starts of with a massage and uses powder instead of oil. It could have been a better massage, but she was more interested in getting to the extras. I had to direct her back to my sore areas and ignored her requests for the flip. Quotes $150 for FS, and the room was $50 for 45 mins and $60 for the hour.

The rate was find with me, although it was higher than some of the other AMPs like Swan Lake. But I rarely get to see girls of her body type. She was soaking wet even before the condom was produced. Anyway, no fluids were exchanged, the way I like it. I did not do DATY with first time girls, and she was not comfortable with it either. No BBBJ and none was offered or requested. Anyway, started with cowgirl, which was nice. I guess that's her standard approach get guys to finish quickly. But I stopped her after a while and switch to mish, than doggie. Than I did the one thing I have never done, which was to lift her off the bed, stand up, and impale her on me. What do they call that? That's how much of a spinner she is. That alone was worth the fee.

After awhile, she was tired of me pounding her, I guess, and I could tell she was someone that did not really enjoy sex. So, I stopped and we finished with a covered BJ, and hand job. There was 20 mins still left on the clock but no massage was offered after that.

In conclusion, I would have to say that Patrick trains his girls much better than Pantera does. A full hour is usually a full hour, and if you had your SOG before the hour is up, they should at least finish off with massage for the rest of the minutes you pay. And almost everyone there knows better massage than Victoria. Geez, I almost sound like I am advertising for him. Would I repeat? probably not. Victoria did mention there was a caucasian girl that worked there. I ask because of my non-existent chinese. Any bros tried her?

 

[Brendon]

Too bad your time with Victoria wasn't as good as mine was and as well as others that have reviewed her. When I was there last which was Sunday she was on her period. So I am not sure if she must of just finished. She does have her moments as with any SP out there. And not enjoying sex could maybe be possible after a time in the industry. Or it could be an off day because I seen her 3 times since December and the first two times were magical but the last one felt more like what you described. But I plan on giving her one more opportunity for make up.

So on Sunday I was going to go with Candy but she doesn't LFK or DFK so I went with Co Co instead. I will post a review later.

But good to see others review these girls. Thanx for your review.

PS. May I ask who Patrik is? Never heard of him? If possible could you PM me their info or post it here.

Thanx

 

[g_pierce95]

I think the Patrick he's referring to is the owner/ manager of Swan Lake.

 

[ying ting]

Patrick is the owner/ manager of Swan lake. I can honestly say that I have never had a bad massage at Swan Lake. Even the caucasian girls there gave decent massages. Victoria IMHO would have been the worse masseuse at Swan Lake. Maybe Victoria is jaded if you say your last experience was similar to mine. She did ask for the fee of $.5 up front. I have never seen a AMP ask for money upfront. I refused. But she had indicated that some caucasian customers have refused to pay after having sex with her. Maybe that is why her service has gone down? She is disillusioned? That's why many AMP have a man at the front desk, to prevent, can we say it, fuck and runs. That is Pantera's problem, and it should not affect its customers, but it does.

 

[Sheilla W]

I've been out of town for the last couple months and just got back a couple days ago. Of course, one of the first things I did was jump onto eforum.xxx and check out the local happenings. =) I caught this review plus another one on Victoria and found it hard to believe that her service could be that bad since I last saw her. So, I swung by Pantera last night to visit her. She met me at the door and she was as cute as I remember her to be. I paid for an hour and I must say it was a fantastic hour. I didnt feel rushed and IMHO her skills are excellent. I've been out of the country the last couple months, so I hadn't seen her since then, but I didn't feel that her service had decreased in anyway. I mentioned to her that some customers gave her a negative review on eforum.xxx. She didn't respond much, but she seemed quite down afterwards. Perhaps she was having a bad run recently or becoming jaded with the line of work. I did really enjoy my time with her last night and I didn't feel she was worse than before. Perhaps you guys could give her another chance?

Number5

 

[Pompal 09.]

Hey five, I agree with you, when I saw Victoria it was a good session.
She's really cute, like in my review once your in the session.
At first I wasn't sure but on after thought was amazed how better she
looked in session than when I met her at the door.

Nonetheless I think there may have been a couple of bad reviews during
those busy times there as other places had been closed down and
Pantera from what I read here was very busy. So 2 and 2 together means
she was probably in burnout mode at that time.

I would like to see her again as my time with her in their early stages
of just opening was quite memorable and enjoyed my time with her.

...........QM'r

 

[tarhousecafe2007]

I don't know why you would refuse to pay first before playing. Otherwise at the end of playing you still have to pay anyway. What's the difference??

I've heard many tales of MP girls saying that occasionally a customer will have sex then refuse to pay. One girl even called the cops. What surprises me is that any guy has the stupidity to refuse to pay (even if the service is lousy). I don't understand why anyone would want to rip off an SP.

 

[Lisa N]

Agreed, sometimes they ask beforehand sometimes after.
So what?
I've noticed that on occasion if it is a first time to see a gal the odd time
they will ask for donation upfront. Maybe cuz you are new to them and
they just want to play it safe. That's cool with me, no problem.
On repeat visits, the same girl has never asked me for the donation upfront. So they most likely are just getting a feel for a new client.


...........QM'r

 

[HannahSaysHii<3]

I too think she was either going through a busy time or possibly a bad month.

I do plan on visiting her again because I had very good times with her as well. Just wasn't too satisfied with my last one and I will get over it.

Plus not once where I paid a SP after our session. Never even thought that was possible.

Also at Pantera is Amie, Candy and CoCo and possibly others.

Both Amie and Candy are in their mid to late 20's and only offer FS with no LFK or DFK so I chose not to try them.

I did try CoCo she is around 31 and Asian. She was very inviting and allowed me everything that I have requested. I still will make a review on her but when I get more time.

But I will always go back to Victoria. We do have a good repore and every time I phone she remembers me and calls me by my name. That amazes me. I phone maybe once a month possibly twice to book an appointment.

 

[Maz]

I visited Victoria again last night and left quite satisfied as per usual.

FYI, I noticed on my way out that there were 3 girls available that I had not seen before. Will check them out on my future visits and report back!

number5

 

[Aporia]

What's the difference you ask? Are you that naive? When you go to the Cactus Club, do you pay for your meal up front? Paying up front is an open invitation for the SP to rip you off. Suffice it to say that I have been to more than my fair share of AMPs and have never been asked to pay the session fee up front. The room fee, yes, but not the session fee. If you pay up front, what is their incentive for giving u a good time, and not shortchanging your session, or the agreed upon services?

 

[pureinsomniac]

I'm not naive. Of course she can decide to rip you off. You can also decide to rip her off (when you decide that you just don't want to pay, or that she didn't do it to your liking). That you regard paying after as "incentive" for services satisfactory to you belies the truth of your understanding of the transaction. Seems to me you enter sexual services transactions in bad faith with women. I wonder then if you have a tendency to exploit the situation by demanding to pay after. I'm not accusing you, remember.

That in your experience at AMPs, paying after the service is the usual, it certainly is not the norm for SPs in general. If the price and the service are agreed upon, then it makes no difference if the price is paid before or after. You hold up your end of the bargain as you should - by giving up the money, in exchange for what she does in holding up her end of the bargain. It goes not only for sexual services, it applies equally to a meal at a restaurant. You pay for your bucket of chicken at KFC before you take even one bite out of one drumstick.

 

[dolly]

Seems that I am accused of entering "sexual services transactions in bad faith with women". What is that? I have sex with them, than I pay them. That is their expectation, namely to get paid for the transaction. If you read my original post, I never said I did not pay Victoria. Where is the bad faith? You are welcome to pay for all your sexual services up front. I am sure the girl (or man in your case), prefers it that way. that is up to you. But I know for sure that many bros on this site pay for it AFTER the session. If you accuse me of "bad faith" for doing that, than you accused all the bros here of the same thing. I do apologize for calling you naive. You are not naive. You are a moron.

 

[xzc426]

but at non- fast food restaurants and most other services, you typically pay after, so not the best analogy maybe.
in any case, i agree with you gbm.
pay before / pay after, don't matter to me. i find the trust a good thing either way. actually i probly prefer to pay before kuz a coupla times at tom's where you always pay after, i was so giddy after a real good session i forgot all about it and almost left the room w/out paying.

 

[som]

Talking specificly about the case with AMPs, I would wager that few 'bros on this site' pay after at AMPs. The standard at all the AMPs I know, and I know many more than a few, is that the girl is paid up front. Why? Well, there's a huge difference between lunch at a restaurant (pay after) and services at an AMP (pay before) - both in the amount of $ involved and in the nature of that for which one is paying. That should be obvious to anyone.

In the situation of pay after, there are more occasions of a customer wanting to go cheap on the girl (even if a donation was first negotiated) or even doing a no-pay dash than the infinitesimal risk of an AMP girl not delivering FS . You may not be one who would harbour 'bad faith', but there are a boatload of others (eforum.xxxerts aside) who would (and do), given the opportunity.... this is a sad but true fact. This is why it is pay first at AMPs. There are a few girls who, once they know their regular, accept pay after, and some may do so with unknowns, but the understanding behind pay first is dead simple. Also paying first allows a little YMMV as a slightly more donation is often met with a grateful physical response.

If one wants to ensure their satisfaction particulars, then a discussion, in the room immediately before anything (including a shower) occurs, of what is wanted in the session helps to dispell misconceived expectations. If the girl's menu is not to one's liking, then ask for another girl or leave.

Such a discussion seems to be valuable when it comes to some of the CL indies or agency escorts, judging from some of the posts on eforum.xxx. Also check reviews on eforum.xxx to find the girl who appears to best match your carnal desire.

 

[Reku]

yeah but at KFC you can pay with coupons or order up a special, like buy 2 drumsticks get 1 free with an extra coleslaw on the side. If you don't like the coleslaw, you might be able to get a side of wedgie fries in exchange. Then if you upsize to a small bucket, you also get a 1 liter coke.

I wish you could get a take out of chinese food when you go to an AMP. Like if you choose the not-so-good looking girl, they'll throw in the #3 combo of sweet-and-sour pork with two deep-fried spring rolls and rice to go. Maybe that would bring in more customers. Or maybe the local chinatown restaurants will start offering massage services in the back room.

 

[Bowling for some Soup]

Classic !!

.........QM'r

 

[GSD & Mastiff Owner]

That's not totally out of the realm of possibility. When I was younger I always heard about "extras" being served downstairs at Kobe's...

 

[Pompal 09.]

gbm, freakin great idea.
or maybe one of those New Opening Specials that last til they go out of business and instead of a ten buck coupon in GS you get 20 bucks worth of take out from the restaurant next door.
better yet i'd like to see a real opening special --
2 for the price of 1 would attract a few customers.

 

[aires69uk OFFICIAL]

Its too bad Jessica moved on

She had great tits, and gave an excellent massage

Jack