Would the Democrats been better served to introduce health care reform that

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addressed their specific issues? Democrats have weaved many messages around introduction of health care reform/legislation. On the hill, there is some that doubt reform in the current form the bills have, will receive enough support to pass in the Senate.

Would the Democrats, instead of preparing sweeping changes and what would could reasonably argue an essentially government take over of health care, been better served to directly, and narrowly, introduce legislation that gave people with pre-existing conditions a viable alternative, and, give adults (all children, on paper, have a viable health care option, even if poor), that cannot afford a plan, some form of insurance to suit their needs?

Is the scope of current reform a misguided attempt at reform?
 
The current proposals are rather modest when you actually look at what is being changed. A more piecemeal approach would only increase costs with each minor change without addressing the major problems.
 
Misguided is an understatement. This present form is so full of pork and BS it is a disgrace to the people it professes to help. I am surely hoping the Senate can clean this bill up and take all people into consideration. As for the Democrats....I personally have vowed never to vote donkey again. 8 years of elephant compared to the many years of donkeys has proved to me beyond a shadow of a doubt...donkeys are hasses!
 
sorry but no one can reasonably argue the proposal is a government take over of health care. Now that would be sweeping change.

Democrats caved to much to republicans on this one.
 
Liberals know exactly what they're doing. It has been said numerous times that the health care bill was not about health care and that is right. Had they have wanted to address problems with insurance companies and their greed they would have but this plan was not about fixing anything. It is part of Obama's reparations and vote buying scheme along with a complete bankrupting affect upon the country. A bankrupt USA leads to a world government and freedom and liberty be damned. Healthcare by Obama, Pelosi and Reid is worse than cancer and will kill many.
 
the complexity of a 2000 page bill based on reform is what happens when special interest groups, insurance companies and corporations hold more sway in the government than the people this government is supposed to represent.

Simply put, there is a reason Vermont is ranked #1 in the country as being the healthiest place to live... its because Health insurance in the state is a guarantee to everyone that wants it but cant afford it. Private Insurers work side by side with the State sponsored Health Insurance plan to cover all socio-economic levels of the citizens of Vermont. State coverage is guaranteed to families making 200% of the national poverty level, and the health care they recieve is fair, balanced and the scope of it is expansive. Premiums are set for families that recieve state sponsered health care based on income, so realistically it isn't a "free ride" unless theyre under the poverty level.

Is it a perfect plan? No. Is it better than what most of the other ststes in the union offer? Yes. Are Vermonters healthier because of it? Yes...
 
yes if they had introduced and by now passed some parts of this so called reform which i and others are against because they can not explain to us how it will work at a nuts and bolts level, they could have made a difference and be showing us how correct reform could bring down costs and lower costs could increase the number of people covered. then with a small succsess to show the dems could make other changes in small enough packages that it would be possible to tell the voters we are doing this and it will cost x and the effect on you will be y then there is not so much fear and resentment against them.
 
They would have had far greater success, and acceptance. But the democrats have a history, which they themselves are aware of as well, and realize that they never hold power for long. Its like a bull in a china shop whenever they have control. They know their time is limited, so they have to make hay while they can.
 
The short answer is yes.

The longer answer is that your reasoning is basically the path that fiscal conservatives (not necessarily all, but most Republicans and Blue Dog Democrats) wanted to take. And expansion of SCHIP, the elimination (or at least amelioriation) of pre-existing condition rules, and tort reform would have been a good start on the reform that wouldn't cost a trillion dollars.

This behemoth currently in the works is ridiculous. Combined with the cap and trade, it will cause financial grief for generations to come.
 
First of all,,They don't like to waist time like republican who put us in a pointless war
that we are still trying to get out of.

If it does not work we will try it again.

As far as holding on to the office ..I have news for you,We are a different breed of
democrats and I think your bull shit sabotage stops with us.

The so called take over of heath care is a pack of lies,It is a take back the health
care from money grubbing pieces of crap.Doctors who are bought by pharmaceutical companies
to pump hurtfully chemicals into the public.
No curse only treatments that cause other medical issues.Idiots who prescribe anti depressants to kids. By the way the government is the voters.The ass holes have had power over medical.
 
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    Sunday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: ANA, HANA & TINA. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York. ANA is a young, short and sweet lady, 5โ€™1 & 105 Lbs, very tight, with a small to medium booty. Ana is a versatile honey who provides great massage, & can accommodate your needs. CHRISTINA is Spanish, C Cups, 5'3", tall & nice curves, very open minded. JENNY is sweet
  37. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Yumi๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ’‹A striking new tall gorgeous Korean model with long, flowing reddish-brown hair cascading down her back and a slender, elegant figure that exudes grace and poise. Yumiโ€™s natural confidence and allure, make her approachable
  38. luckywellness:
    Lucky Wellness Center 4379721888 295 Eglinton Ave E,Unit 7,Mississauga Yoyo and
  39. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน2 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ New Japanese girl Nina โค๏ธ Natural Big Boobs 38 DD ๐Ÿ˜˜Pink Mini Nipples Hot body slide, super enjoyable๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธYou are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in the back
  40. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Barbie Petite Korea Part time School girl Elena Vietnamese sweetheart girl Sami Gorgeous Model Type Vietnamese Girl Judy is a gorgeous model type Vietnamese Girl Natalie filipina mixed Petite girl โ˜Ž๏ธ647- 446-0886
  41. New spring spa@:
    ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒนsexy hot Latino ๐Ÿ’–Singapore ๐Ÿ’– Korean girls ๐Ÿ‘working at Nu spring spa๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹โ˜Ž๏ธ416-669-8508๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน
  42. Ivyspa:
    Miami
  43. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน Three girls every day ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ 5124 Dundas West Street, Etobicoke โ˜Ž๏ธ 416-817-3366 ๐Ÿ‘ Newโ—๏ธNew girl โ—๏ธJenny , sexy girl 1.60 M.pretty boobs 36D๐Ÿ˜˜Superb service ๐Ÿ‘ Sweet girl Suki Big Boobs 36DD ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ Hot and sexy body very provocative service ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธ You are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in directly through the back door. We have ample parking spaces available
  44. Alibi Massage and Spa:
    Most sensual touch ๐Ÿ’‹ ALIBI Massage&SPA ๐Ÿ‡ฏ๐Ÿ‡ฒ KAY ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡บ ROSE ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡นJANNE ๐Ÿ“ž905 212 1222๐Ÿ“1380 Matheson Blvd East, Mississauga
  45. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Click Here Meet๐ŸŒธTina๐ŸŒธValentina๐ŸŒธAlisaCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  46. HollywoodSpa:
    Saturday at ๐ŸŽญ๐—›๐—ข๐—Ÿ๐—Ÿ๐—ฌ๐—ช๐—ข๐—ข๐—— ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐ŸŽญ, 4578 Yonge St, Unit 100, North York, ON: COCO & SISI. โ˜Ž416-222-5554โ˜Ž COCO is an attractive attendant with nice massage skills & good services. SISI is a sweet slim beauty, 5โ€™2โ€, with a beauty ass, excellent massage, and amazing services. Come and see why she is so popular. When you visit ๐ŸŽญHollywood Spa๐ŸŽญ, you will be treated with tender care
  47. ForeverWarden:
    Saturday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Olivia, Sara & Tracy. Sara is young & slim with nice C Cups, trim waist, sexy bum and long hair. She is vary friendly uses her assets well. Tracy is an incredibly cute & pretty Japanese/Taiwanese mixed spinner, about 5โ€™1โ€ and 100 lbs. She is very popular for her exotic massage & services.
  48. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center : New Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Doris ,Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Koko ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament Lala,Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage Maggie, Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,๐Ÿ  address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„
  49. Moneylee:
    Full season Wellness center: New Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Emily, Student big boobs buttocks Vicky ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Linda , young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Cici, Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. ๐Ÿ  2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 โ˜Ž๏ธ 4379857899 ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  50. HolidaySpa:
    Saturday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: AMY & MAGGIE. AMY is an attractive young lady with larger breasts and a nice bottom. She has outstanding oral skills, and is very popular. Donโ€™t miss out on her special skills! Maggie is sweet, slim and very talented. ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…HOLIDAY SPA๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด 3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4 (Kennedy Rd & Steeles Ave E)
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