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Missed out a sexy escapade plan with Forum colleague yesterday afternoon due to work and personal commitments.

Asked for extra and negotiated for B2B with BBJ and DFK...

Overall a good experience VFM, Unrushed, and Complete GFE.

Cheers
Vaasu

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Wow!! You are rocking in Delhi too
So what was the bargained amount for extras?

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Hi...guys looking for NE chicks with FS in spas or independent or with SP. I'm from Mumbai and want to explore your beautiful city. Thanks for your help. Please message me at [email protected].
 
Wow!! You are rocking in Delhi too
So what was the bargained amount for extras?

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Bro,Delhi is my Home ground and Mumbai is my practice ground

The others charges was 1k ,she could have accepted 800 also but as the service was good O paid 1k

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Bro,Delhi is my Home ground and Mumbai is my practice ground

The others charges was 1k ,she could have accepted 800 also but as the service was good O paid 1k

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Ohk... I used to visit Munrika whenever I came to delhi.

Any update on the birds you planned enjoy last weekend?

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Guys if you have (patane ka)skills you won't need money to fuck a girl. I was in talk with this girl (got matched from HAPPEN app) for over a week finally banging happened. Took her to aksa. All I spent was food and lodge charge(for 2 hours), precisely around 700 bucks.

Link -- https://happn.fr/invite/o5pNM8

[Below is for those who don't know the app]
This app HAPPEN shows you users crossing paths with you (off course! they also should have the app). You can send a 'hi' or just like them. If they like you back you can start a conversation with them.

When I was in Delhi I banged 2 girls with this app within 15 days.

Now, I live in Mumbai and this was my first catch in Mumbai. Seriously awesome experience. (Initially, I was a little nervous though, with fixing the lodge room and all, but a friend helped).

Pros and cons of the app :

Pros : - no money involved, basically girls who want NSA signs up for the app.
- you get variety, some less used chicks.

Cons : - some SP also creates account but that's when your gut feeling and skill comes into the picture.
- success rate is less and the first impression is your pictures.


Important Note :- just make sure that the catch wants NSA before proceeding.
- You need to sign in using FB( it's for, app owner just make sure you are not a minor). However, it never posts anything and it's in writing while signing up.
- don't purchase any plans.


This app is certainly worth a try.

LINK - https://happn.fr/invite/o5pNM8

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In Chattarpur you can get good Afro stuff

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Vasu did you tried Afro in Chatrapur as one of my friend who I gave contact didn’t have good experience
Please post your review so other mongers should be aware of what they are getting into.



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Hello Delhites,
I am from Mumbai and would be visiting Delhi in the month of May 2018. Dont known when exactly,
Have done quite a mongering at Mumbai like going to SP and SB/DBs. Have tried a few indies here in Mumbai too.
Now I would also like to have some good mongering experience in Delhi/NCR/Noida too.
Can anyone please help me with contacts of VFM indies or massage therapists with extra offerings?
I would be very thankful. In return, I can help you when you come to Mumbai.
Cheers !!!
 
FRs of this week. first of all thanks to vasu brother for help. cheers n a whole lot of thanks.

first - went to La-B spa in M-pur area. asked for a therapist with good massage skills. a good n relaxing massage is first n foremost for me. took 90 min session, quoted price 3 k n with lot of negotiations got it for 2K.
got hot bodied NE 'gulab'. gave a very good massage n during last few min asked for extras. during massage she gave a profession n erotic massage, nearly touching my johny (saluting straight) n ass , ass crack etc etc .I opted for b2b, FS not available. quoted 4 k, brought down to 3 K n didnt buzz after tht. I refused any extras n after some more hard negotiation agreed at 2K. she stripped n wore dispo. told her to take tht off n she obliged. hot body, milky white n smooth skin. nice boobs n trimmed puss (little hair turns me on) n sexy tight n big ass. she put some oil n started rubbing me from behind with her puss n boobs. rubbed her body for som time, also putting her hand from behind n softly carassing my johny. her actions were huuge turn on. then i told her to lie down n i rubbed my body on her from behind, my johny exploring every corner of her. i was carefull not to penetrate anywhere. she had earlier given me a hint that dont worry about time. explored her body with both my own body n lips. she avoided dfk n daty. but other things i was enjoying to the core. then we lied side by side, n i rubbed her puss well, she was thoroughly wet, with her pre cum on my full hand. did this fore play to my heart content n shot a big load. then she took bath n cleaned herself n then i too cleaned up. had a great experience . one of best MP experiences
damage - 2 K (90 min) + 2 K
pros - good , relaxing and erotic massage
hot body, allowed to explore her fully, clean habits, she was with courteous n playfull behaviour. got VFM for both massage n extras (with lot of haggle n great experience, I guess 2 K was OK)
cons - steam is extra (i like to experience a nice massage therapy)
WIR - already did

second - went again for 60 min / 1.5 K massage (got discount on my second visit n with my assertion that i gonna be regular). got jen. petite but nice looking NE. got similar experience as previous one. same charges for extras.

i m very happy with experience. had chit chat with owner who claimed tht he had best therapists (i assume he was referring to massage skills but i will give it for extras skills also). both times had great relaxing n professional massage. extras was erotic experience n shot my load with full force LOL.)

WIR - yes. on my way in next 5 min. ha ha.

they hav changed name of spa since expanding it with a saloon. but numbers n directions easily avaible on google n JD. type matching name

cheers to all
 
looking for a reliable VFM n GFE type CIS experience near m-pur or v-vihar. anyone can kindly provide number of indie or reliable SP.
also i believe SP Tush in that area has been providing VFM n good services. if any one can provide his number and his review.

thanks in advance , i have day off on monday n want to get CIS experience during daytime near south del.
cheers to all
 
Hello Delhites,
I am from Mumbai and would be visiting Delhi in the month of May 2018. Dont known when exactly,
Have done quite a mongering at Mumbai like going to SP and SB/DBs. Have tried a few indies here in Mumbai too.
Now I would also like to have some good mongering experience in Delhi/NCR/Noida too.
Can anyone please help me with contacts of VFM indies or massage therapists with extra offerings?
I would be very thankful. In return, I can help you when you come to Mumbai.
Cheers !!!
see my FR. very close to airport. u can also try kimanta if u want to start with spas
 
If any one want big tankers then go to pahadganj, near lane of khawu galli
You walk approx 100 mtr in lane and you got one spa
Which is on ground floor
There is one therapist I think Khushi
Her boobs are very bigs like Hollywood star Anna
Try her fs,bj, bbj all in her menu

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Hi guys. New to Delhi mongering scene here - have contacts in Mumbai which am glad to share - anyone willing to share Kanak's (the rimming queen) contact details, or any other girl like her - prefer dirty/hard service more than looks.
 
Hi guys,

I am from Mumbai and will be visiting Delhi tomorrow. Can you please share contacts of indies.

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Hi guys. New to Delhi mongering scene here - have contacts in Mumbai which am glad to share - anyone willing to share Kanak's (the rimming queen) contact details, or any other girl like her - prefer dirty/hard service more than looks.

Check your pm


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