Taking on more spa work vs spend time on private practice



It isn't always about money, or even maximizing productivity. You can treat this strictly as a series of business decisions, or as a series of choices along your journey. Some choices will lead to lessons that will help you make better choices, others will take you exactly where you want to go. Enjoy the ride!
 


I say do the interview. see how they run their place. you can learn how they set up and how they do business. see how they get clients. see what marketing ideas you can get from them.
If the staff there is fit for you and you need a steady income. do the job part-time. Just don't budge on your needs. you are the moneymaker not them. without you, there isn't any business for them because your doing the work. that's one of the reasons I left the spa I use to work at. they belittle me saying that I make nothing if it weren't for them hiring me. they basically wanted me to depend on them and see them as boss and superior. guess what? since I left that place is going downhill.

if you can. focus on your own private practice. why make others rich? i'll focus on my own practice too if it were for having a tough time finding a decent studio. you know how hard it is in SF since your in SF too. the only time you need to work for others part time is when your business can't sustain itself yet from enough clients. part time work for others will help cover basic needs of shelter/rent, food and marketing. you know. the basics of business until it can run on it's own profits.
 


It is this kind of business-bashing rubbish that makes us reconsider the time we spend in this forum.

sillypup said:
you are the moneymaker not them. without you, there isn't any business for them because your doing the work.

Clearly, running a place, set up, doing business, getting clients and marketing ideas are not work and are of no value.

sillypup said:
see how they run their place. you can learn how they set up and how they do business. see how they get clients. see what marketing ideas you can get from them.

So why are you suggesting Josh waste any time learning these non-valuable skills at a place that would not exist without him or the other therapists?

sillypup said:
guess what? since I left that place is going downhill.

Ah, yes...the "delicate genius" gets revenge. The average salon or spa has a lifespan that far exceeds the average career of a massage therapist, hairdresser or any other technician. Any business that can't survive the loss of an employee is not a business -- it is a parasite.


sillypup said:
why make others rich? .

Because they risked everything to create a business that employs others. When you risk everything to create a business, you deserve to get rich.

Josh is trying to do just that, but is struggling with the worthless details of how to build a clientele (which the idiot, undeserving spa owners seem to have figured out)
 


it's reality. have you worked at spa's and big corporation that treats therapist like a sweatshop? It's about fair pay for the skills. did I say all business will fail? NO. just ones that mistreat therapist and keeps a huge chunk for themselves and not pay fair to therapist. you don't understand the concept of respecting your employees and that workers are part of the team and that we therapist aren't inferior. From your post it seems that you are on the business perspective and not the therapist perspective. we help clients heal as fast as we can. atleast the honest one. you business owners want us therapist to do a fluffy massage so that they come in more frequently. that is robbery in my opinion.

Is it true business can't run without workers? they can obviously hire more workers, but guess what? but it's still a fact that business need workers to even stay open. Let's see how a business run without the needed workers to take appointment or therapist to service clients. can't run a massage business without them. period. what's the turnover rate in typical spa? it's a burn and churn business. personal private practice hiring good workers with fair pay exist. especially business owners who are therapist themselves. the unfair business i refer to are those that only wants money because they have no perspective on the therapist's side. yes, spa's stay longer than therapist? why? because they can't make money when they are in a sweatshop. the successful ones start to open their own business. than they make money. stop trying to persuade people to work for a sweatshop. I see time and time again the spas or business owner discourage a therapist to run their own business. they just want to use the therapist to get rich instead of encouraging them to have their own practice. It's about win/win business. not the old model of workers being inferior. majority of business in this field have no respect for therapist no matter how good the therapist or money they bring. their mentality is we can just hire new therapist. with that attitude of business owners, that is why most therapist have short career. And clearly a massage therapist's value to have return clients and getting the clients to refer friends, family and all the people they know is off no value. and not to mention the back profits of return visits and buying products. the therapist do all that not the business. they are the one that keep the client loyal not the business. not to mention that most therapist market outside to get more clients. because of all that , they deserve pay fair and respect. You are obviously on the side of exploiting therapist.

So why are you suggesting Josh waste any time learning these non-valuable skills at a place that would not exist without him or the other therapists?

Did I say skills of running a business was not important? why you think I suggest he observe all the business awareness when he does his interview? to see what works and what don't work. and because it's important for josh's future practice. if the offer is respectful to josh and he needs the work. than take it. if the offer is belittling josh, why should he put up with it to make the business owner rich? Did I say the business he may interview for isn't going to run without him? No. the business can just hire other workers but it still remain a fact that they need workers. Josh is smart, doing what he can to run his business so he can get out of the rat race. no therapist wants to make a stupid rotten business owner rich who show no respect for therapist. Look at Massage Envy. Sure they make money but at who's expense? the many experience therapist have there probably killed more massage career than motivate massage therapist to stay in the field. those kind of business is what makes the massage field look bad and gives it a bad reputation. And yes, as you quoted, the details of building a client is worthless. BS. clients are your livelihood. you show no respect for clients and just want their money. If a therapist leave, what's the likelihood of the client coming to the same spa? unlikely because they lost their personal therapist. this shows clients and therapist are the moneymaker. so show them respect and pay them fair. it's a service field. who's doing the service? sure, the business has a location but without the workers there is no business. therapist can always work elsewhere that show them respect. can a business easily just move to another location? no. because of all the law regulation.

Obviously you don't understand the concept of win/win. business that know that prosper. they understand their workers are their livelihood and respect them and pay them fairly.
business mentality to exploit workers like yours is what make therapist quit or hate working for others.
 


sillypup said:
From your post it seems that you are on the business perspective and not the therapist perspective.
Of course R&R is posting from the business perspective and not the therapist perspective!! R&R is a business owner. Why on earth would they be posting from a therapist perspective?

I think R&R (particularly Mr R&R) have made many valuable contributions to this board FROM A BUSINESS OWNER'S perspective. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, this board is full of people making a living from massage, business owners are just as entitled to be here as therapists, it's just that most business owners don't bother to do that. I can understand why, even if they found this place it's full of bash the business posts.

There is money to be made as a sole practitioner, there is money to be made as an IC/employee/multi-therapist partnership/room renter/ salons/etc, there is money to be made organising those people.

Without the glitzy spas out there, massage would have a much lower profile, there would be a much smaller market for therapists, and it's not from the jobs the glitzy spas create, it's from the public awareness than massage isn't some nudge nudge wink wink service, it can be something else. So many men say 'I couldn't tell my wife I had a massage'- they couldn't while it was the realm of the adult industry, but if their wife has a massage, it's ok for them to have one too. Spa fluff services have allowed therapeutic massage to grow as an industry to support more therapists. Not as many therapists as the massage schools churn out, but that's a different discussion.



If a business owner relies on one therapist for their business, they're a fool, no business owner and therapist could thrive based on the income from the one therapist. If one therapist leaves and the business falls apart, it means the business was falling apart before the therapist left.
 
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    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅBEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Massage with Rel
  34. SugarLoveSpa:
    Saturday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: CHRISTINA, LUNA, SARA & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York. CHRISTINA is Spanish, C Cups, 5'3", tall & nice curves, very open minded. LUNA is a slim, VERY PETITE and capable Vietnamese beauty, nice natural 34C Cups. Luna can do everything. SARA is a beautiful Thai lady with C Cups, 160 Cms and 50 Kgs
  35. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 masseuse are working today. Young sweet student Kitty 26โ€™s with curve body open mind and young pretty Michelle 25โ€™s open mind,fun sexy Yoyo 36DD with curve body open mind and cute GFE Lina are providing deep tissue massage, pls call 4163985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available. 350 Wilson Ave North York
  36. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Judy๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅOur new Asian massage girl Judy is a vision of refined sensuality, with a graceful figure and smooth, flawless skin that radiates warmth and allure. Her striking black hair frames her delicate features, and her poised elegance
  37. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน Three girls every day ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ 5124 Dundas West Street, Etobicoke โ˜Ž๏ธ 416-817-3366 ๐Ÿ‘ Newโ—๏ธNew girl โ—๏ธJenny , sexy girl 1.60 M.pretty boobs 36D๐Ÿ˜˜Superb service ๐Ÿ‘ Sweet girl Suki deep massage Big Boobs 36DD ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ Hot and sexy body very provocative service ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธ You are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in directly through the back door. We have ample parking spaces available
  38. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Barbie Petite Korea Part time School girl Suki From Taiwan, sweet girl Elena Vietnamese sweetheart girl Natalie filipina mixed girl Sami Vietnamese โ˜Ž๏ธ647- 446-0886
  39. luckywellness:
    Lucky Wellness Center 4379721888 295 Eglinton Ave E,Unit 7,Mississauga Kiki and water works
  40. DareDevil:
    JUST RELAX WELLNESS: 160 EAST BEAVER CREEK RD #17, RICHMOND HILL, Tel(905) 707 5877 Website:Just Relax Wellness Centre โ™ฅ๏ธ GTA'S most Prestigiousโ™ฅ๏ธ. 7 Well trained girls working today: Nancy, Shirley, Sasa, Cici, Eliza, Anna and TIna . Promo: COMBO SPECIAL 30MIN FOOT+60MIN BODY ONLY $80
  41. EMSpa_schedule:
    Tomorrow's sneak peek: On Saturday April 5, 2025, our attendants will be Opal, Vicky, Lucy, Ivy and Sophie Call 905-479-6668 to book!
  42. EMSpa_schedule:
    For Friday April 4, 2025, our attendants are Ada ๐Ÿ’œ, Opal ๐Ÿ˜˜, Cici ๐Ÿ˜˜, Vicky ๐Ÿฅฐ and Christina ๐Ÿ‘. Call us at (905) 479-6668 to book your favourite and head on over to 7665 Kennedy Road, Unit 4, Markham, ON, Canada!
  43. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบwelcome to wonder spaโ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800,L6a4H8๏ผŒopen10 to10.on Friday happy weekend ,Ensuit shower available ๐Ÿ…beautiful Jessica come back,deep tissue to relax massage and nice body slide๐Ÿ…joey is very good looking,big breasted sweet sensual touch really popular ๐ŸŒนlong hair Vietnamese Amy open maid,everything she can do,more experience,must try๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ
  44. DareDevil:
    ARIA WELLNESS ADDRESS: 360 HWY 7, UNIT #6, RICHMOND HILL,647-222-5683/905.886.9993 (PHONES CALL ONLY, NO TEXT'N AVAILABLE) โ™ฅ๏ธTODAY'S Schedule!โ™ฅ๏ธ Loaded lineup with Young Beautiful Girls : Hottie Hattie, Lovely Tina, Young Lori, Magical Mia and Work out๐Ÿ‹๐Ÿšด๐Ÿ’ช Babe Amy! BUY 10 HOURS (GET 11 HOURS) ** PICK OF THE DAY IS Hattie**
  45. New spring spa@:
    โค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธsexy hot Germany๐ŸŒธKorean ๐ŸŒธ Malaysia girl working at๐Ÿ’“๐Ÿ’“ Nu spring spa โ˜Ž๏ธ416-669-8508โค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธ
  46. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Massage w
  47. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน3 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ New girl Cherry (Student)๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜โ€œcharming breasts.โ€beautiful curvy hips.โ€very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธ You are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in the back door with plenty of parking spaces
  48. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Click Here Today๐ŸŒธAlisa๐ŸŒธNina๐ŸŒธAntonela๐ŸŒธMya๐ŸŒธCindy Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  49. Golden Flower Spa:
  50. AliceSpa:
    FRIDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. Alice spa has 3 very hot girls today. Open 10am to 9pm: AMY (12pm โ€“ 9pm) is a young, petite short & slim Taiwanese, former dance instructor, firm natural B Cups, pretty face, firm natural titis, super play good, bbbj, cim, rim, dfk, all services. APPLE (12:30pm-9pm): from Hong Kong, very small body, 5' 100Lbs
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