What do I do from here? Seeing an MPA outside the spa

[daty869]

You sound smitten. You should never see her again unless ur looking to have ur bank account drained.

It's a good practice to always have a few in regular rotation so you don't get caught up in feelings for one.

Excellent advice - I used to regularly have 4 in a rotation according to their menstrual cycle…I’m down to two and looking for two to add again but can understand how one gets somewhat emotionally attached, most girls leave everything behind when they leave the door at night. Until they need to find your number to fill a space in their day to get another $40/60/80/100 bill…or for a house….

 

[Sundance69]

Excellent advice - I used to regularly have 4 in a rotation according to their menstrual cycle…I’m down to two and looking for two to add again but can understand how one gets somewhat emotionally attached, most girls leave everything behind when they leave the door at night. Until they need to find your number to fill a space in their day to get another $40/60/80/100 bill…or for a house….

Have to agree here, I've had a number of SPA's as close friends and lovers. A few to my home (I'm single). The results are always the same, especially Chinese women are focused on money.
I can speak to having personal friendships with as many as a dozen girls, and had one around my life for over a year. All but this one were interested in money and building business.

When push comes to a shove (pun intended) these girls will take the money and run.
I have the numbers of well over 50 MPA's and the result is always the same, in the cases where they actually appreciate you and your friendship, you will always be SECOND to the cash.

Many of these girls have boyfriends, lovers, or friends and have no trouble spending the night with you and going on vacation with their main boyfriend the following week.
Many provide FS services and then go home to have dinner and relations with their boyfriends, who maybe pick them up at the spa right after your had a session.

My advice, accept the opportunity, enjoy the visits as available understanding that the moment they leave you, they are on to their next customer and next best friend.
So, enjoy ... but make sure you are clear that your friendship will always be a financial transaction first.

Not cynical here at all, but you must understand that these girls are sex workers and do not respond to emotional life the same way most of us would.
They are fully removed from the actions at work, verses life at home, this is work, culturally much more accepted as a job.

Hope this helps, get out there and have some fun!

 

[Surgeon1936]

Have to agree here, I've had a number of SPA's as close friends and lovers. A few to my home (I'm single). The results are always the same, especially Chinese women are focused on money.
I can speak to having personal friendships with as many as a dozen girls, and had one around my life for over a year. All but this one were interested in money and building business.

When push comes to a shove (pun intended) these girls will take the money and run.
I have the numbers of well over 50 MPA's and the result is always the same, in the cases where they actually appreciate you and your friendship, you will always be SECOND to the cash.

Many of these girls have boyfriends, lovers, or friends and have no trouble spending the night with you and going on vacation with their main boyfriend the following week.
Many provide FS services and then go home to have dinner and relations with their boyfriends, who maybe pick them up at the spa right after your had a session.

My advice, accept the opportunity, enjoy the visits as available understanding that the moment they leave you, they are on to their next customer and next best friend.
So, enjoy ... but make sure you are clear that your friendship will always be a financial transaction first.

Not cynical here at all, but you must understand that these girls are sex workers and do not respond to emotional life the same way most of us would.
They are fully removed from the actions at work, verses life at home, this is work, culturally much more accepted as a job.

Hope this helps, get out there and have some fun!

you very well said but sometimes it's hard to accept

 

[Mea Culpa]

The thing about this SP, is that shes gorgeous but doesn't exploit it (if that makes sense). She takes horrible photos of herself, she does a bad job marketing herself..Its as if she doesn't KNOW how beautiful she is... Its really endearing (or shes an amazing actress - though I cant imagine why anyone would fake this) her photos online are really old and don't show the added weight she put on over the years (in the right places if you ask me)...Shes approaching 30...I get the feeling that shes really modest and humble (as she knows she has lots of competition at her workplace since the new owners doubled the amount of girls there).

Shes not bitchy, she never asks for tips, she makes me feel like im the most important person in the room. She is super attentive and nurturing. My favourite part is when the session is over, how quick she is to tidy the room and hand me a towel as i exit the shower (big turn on for me). I think thats why i keep coming back.

Plus the fact, she got a new number and made sure to reach out to me (when she didn't really have to).

I dont think she gets as many clients as she once did.

Any updates you want to share regarding your relationship status with your special friend?

 

[Enterthedragon47]

Excellent advice - I used to regularly have 4 in a rotation according to their menstrual cycle…

lol!!! You rock, bro!

 

[UsefulIdiot]

My two cents: the OP seems quite naive so I am glad he has been given some perspective and good advice. Reading his account of things made me think of another possibility - his reticence might be intriguing to the SW, a challenge. One time at a holistic spa for the first 30 I just let her massage me, did not ask for anything, did not grope her. I could sense her getting more and more frustrated. When I eventually stroked her leg she quickly went into SW mode and I had a wild session with her.

 

[RayHughston]

Here’s an update.

I took heed to the feedback in this thread and haven’t seen her since August.

When I saw her in August, it was at the spa after she texted me asking to see her if I was available as she was “feeling down and needed someone to cheer her up”.

That visit was just like the rest, I never asked for any extras, brief chit chat about work and family and I proceeded onward. Tipped her $100 for her troubles (it was a good session, was very stiff from sitting in an office chair all day) and went on my way.

Weeks later we text back and forth, about maybe seeing each other outside the spa. I told her I would love to recreate a session on a large king size bed, rather than that narrow bed in the parlour with no pillow (I’m 6ft2) . She agrees and says she would be more than open to connecting outside the spa. She tells me how much she hates it there. Nothing comes of it, nothing was planned. I stop contacting her and move on with life.

Maybe a month later, she texts me out the blue saying she’s in trouble and need of some money and could use a few thousand dollars. She doesn’t explain what for. I immediately delete her number and don’t even reply.

A month goes by after, she sends a lengthy text apologizing, saying she’s sorry for putting that expectation on me, hoping I didn’t delete her number and that she should have known not to ask for that based On our relationship. She knew she was wrong for asking. I tell her I don’t feel comfortable giving money away like that, in fear of being taken advantage of. She said she was going through a hard time and that she would figure it out on her own. I agreed. Never offered to send her any money. She never asked again.

Still - that interaction was awkward enough for me not to message her. Every other week she would message me. Asking how I’m doing, how it’s been so long since I last seen her, etc.

I travel a lot for business and sometimes she would message me when I’m out of town. After telling her I’m not available time after time, she confesses that she misses me. I’ve ignored a few of these messages but like clockwork the following week she message asking if I’m back in town and if I’m busy or not.

She never asks me to explicitly come to the spa, but she messages me saying how much she misses me. It’s been almost 4 months since I’ve seen her at this point.
I often tell her I’m busy and can’t see her.

This week - she messages me asking if I’m back in town. I tell her yes, she tells me she missed me and would love to see me soon. I tell her I’m busy but wouldn’t mind her seeing some other time.

She send photos of her in lingerie, saying she can’t wait until we meet and that we have a lot to catch up on.

Monday, I message her asking if she would be in the spa this Thursday (on her typical schedule), she says no but she willing to “work privately”.

I ask her what does she require to “work privately”, she then says she was thinking we could get a room or airbnb, have some wine and relax together for the evening. I agree to this, she lets me know her detailed schedule… we arrange a date

She never asked for any money for this date or encounter.

Booked a nice suite this weekend, I’ll report back and tell y’all how it goes.

 

[RayHughston]

Any updates you want to share regarding your relationship status with your special friend?

Yes - I just left an update above

 

[JackPhilip]

I came across an massage parlour attendant in 2020.

Her name starts with K. Ever since then, I always see her when I visit that particular massage parlour (Hands from Heaven, later became Seduction Spa in 2023). Every visit was better than the last. I only book 1 hour sessions sometimes 90 minute sessions with this attendant. When I first met her, she was very strict about touching and would often say things like "you can touch me, but dont be too rough or aggressive".

I have gone on to see her maybe 8 or more times now. Now she grabs my hands and places them on her into the sessions (Ive never been the first to initiate contact - just being respectful). We would always small talk about life and she would always make feel comfortable. I've never asked for any extra services... ever. On a recent visit, after the session she mentions to me she felt a connection with me and would love to exchange numbers (I never asked for it). She tells me shes getting fed up with the massage parlour and its new management (Seduction Spa). I googled the number she gave me and found an VIPFavors profile of her offering escort services (It looked like an inactive listing with very old photos - shes a lot heavier now than in the pictures) Weeks later I text her asking if she would available to meet up, I was in town and had the day off...she told me she was interested and to message her on the actual day and said "maybe we could meet somewhere outside of the spa". The day comes, I forget to message her completely (got caught up in other things).

2 Months go by, I receive a text from an unidentified number. The texts asking how have I been, "its been months since Ive seen you". She reveals to me thats its her. And she mentioned that she had been thinking about me. She even wrote how she was feeling down and how my presence would brighten up her mood and how it would mean a lot if I came to see her that day. At that point I hadn't been to the spa in a few months and I agree to come in. Coincidentally - that whole day I felt soreness in my upper back so it made sense for me to go after work. I leave work and go straight there.

Of course another great session. But what I noticed was, she kept telling me during the session: "I miss your touch, I miss your hands, I miss everything about you". I realized at that point she encouraged more rough and aggressive touching now. Shes now kissing and licking my body in places she never did before, she also started nibbling my ear during the session (something she's never done with me before). At the end of the session after the release she lays her head on my chest for about a minute and tells me "please dont wait months before you come see me again". We talk about travel plans and family... She kisses me 3 times on cheeks and chin before putting on my clothes and leaving. She asked for my work schedule then said: "Maybe we should get drinks downtown after you're done work one of these days."

I send her a text message thanking her for another great session the following day (on her new number). I message her saying how I would love to recreate a session outside of the spa on a king size bed in an exotic location. She responds back saying she would love to make that vision a reality. The next day she sends a good morning text.

I want to book a nice hotel room in the city and enjoy her company for a few hours maybe an overnight FS session.

Am I reading too into this? Or should I just keep things professional? Is this tantric build up making a FS session inevitable? What should I do?

It sounds like she’s showing clear signs of personal interest beyond the spa, but it’s important to tread carefully. If you’re genuinely interested in spending time with her outside of a professional context, communicate openly and respectfully. Booking a hotel for a session could blur the lines, so clarify both your intentions and hers before proceeding. Ensure you both are on the same page to avoid misunderstandings.

 

[Starbrand]

It sounds like she’s showing clear signs of personal interest beyond the spa, but it’s important to tread carefully. If you’re genuinely interested in spending time with her outside of a professional context, communicate openly and respectfully. Booking a hotel for a session could blur the lines, so clarify both your intentions and hers before proceeding. Ensure you both are on the same page to avoid misunderstandings.

Great advise. Making sure you both understand the intentions are important. Talking from experience.

 

[startbeforeIfinish]

Here’s an update.

I took heed to the feedback in this thread and haven’t seen her since August.

When I saw her in August, it was at the spa after she texted me asking to see her if I was available as she was “feeling down and needed someone to cheer her up”.

That visit was just like the rest, I never asked for any extras, brief chit chat about work and family and I proceeded onward. Tipped her $100 for her troubles (it was a good session, was very stiff from sitting in an office chair all day) and went on my way.

Weeks later we text back and forth, about maybe seeing each other outside the spa. I told her I would love to recreate a session on a large king size bed, rather than that narrow bed in the parlour with no pillow (I’m 6ft2) . She agrees and says she would be more than open to connecting outside the spa. She tells me how much she hates it there. Nothing comes of it, nothing was planned. I stop contacting her and move on with life.

Maybe a month later, she texts me out the blue saying she’s in trouble and need of some money and could use a few thousand dollars. She doesn’t explain what for. I immediately delete her number and don’t even reply.

A month goes by after, she sends a lengthy text apologizing, saying she’s sorry for putting that expectation on me, hoping I didn’t delete her number and that she should have known not to ask for that based On our relationship. She knew she was wrong for asking. I tell her I don’t feel comfortable giving money away like that, in fear of being taken advantage of. She said she was going through a hard time and that she would figure it out on her own. I agreed. Never offered to send her any money. She never asked again.

Still - that interaction was awkward enough for me not to message her. Every other week she would message me. Asking how I’m doing, how it’s been so long since I last seen her, etc.

I travel a lot for business and sometimes she would message me when I’m out of town. After telling her I’m not available time after time, she confesses that she misses me. I’ve ignored a few of these messages but like clockwork the following week she message asking if I’m back in town and if I’m busy or not.

She never asks me to explicitly come to the spa, but she messages me saying how much she misses me. It’s been almost 4 months since I’ve seen her at this point.
I often tell her I’m busy and can’t see her.

This week - she messages me asking if I’m back in town. I tell her yes, she tells me she missed me and would love to see me soon. I tell her I’m busy but wouldn’t mind her seeing some other time.

She send photos of her in lingerie, saying she can’t wait until we meet and that we have a lot to catch up on.

Monday, I message her asking if she would be in the spa this Thursday (on her typical schedule), she says no but she willing to “work privately”.

I ask her what does she require to “work privately”, she then says she was thinking we could get a room or airbnb, have some wine and relax together for the evening. I agree to this, she lets me know her detailed schedule… we arrange a date

She never asked for any money for this date or encounter.

Booked a nice suite this weekend, I’ll report back and tell y’all how it goes.

For what it is worth the same thing happened to me. She asked for$5000 I just put my cards on the table and said "later". It was not apres po. Not to be trusted.

 

[Enterthedragon47]

Here’s an update.

I took heed to the feedback in this thread and haven’t seen her since August.

When I saw her in August, it was at the spa after she texted me asking to see her if I was available as she was “feeling down and needed someone to cheer her up”.

That visit was just like the rest, I never asked for any extras, brief chit chat about work and family and I proceeded onward. Tipped her $100 for her troubles (it was a good session, was very stiff from sitting in an office chair all day) and went on my way.

Weeks later we text back and forth, about maybe seeing each other outside the spa. I told her I would love to recreate a session on a large king size bed, rather than that narrow bed in the parlour with no pillow (I’m 6ft2) . She agrees and says she would be more than open to connecting outside the spa. She tells me how much she hates it there. Nothing comes of it, nothing was planned. I stop contacting her and move on with life.

Maybe a month later, she texts me out the blue saying she’s in trouble and need of some money and could use a few thousand dollars. She doesn’t explain what for. I immediately delete her number and don’t even reply.

A month goes by after, she sends a lengthy text apologizing, saying she’s sorry for putting that expectation on me, hoping I didn’t delete her number and that she should have known not to ask for that based On our relationship. She knew she was wrong for asking. I tell her I don’t feel comfortable giving money away like that, in fear of being taken advantage of. She said she was going through a hard time and that she would figure it out on her own. I agreed. Never offered to send her any money. She never asked again.

Still - that interaction was awkward enough for me not to message her. Every other week she would message me. Asking how I’m doing, how it’s been so long since I last seen her, etc.

I travel a lot for business and sometimes she would message me when I’m out of town. After telling her I’m not available time after time, she confesses that she misses me. I’ve ignored a few of these messages but like clockwork the following week she message asking if I’m back in town and if I’m busy or not.

She never asks me to explicitly come to the spa, but she messages me saying how much she misses me. It’s been almost 4 months since I’ve seen her at this point.
I often tell her I’m busy and can’t see her.

This week - she messages me asking if I’m back in town. I tell her yes, she tells me she missed me and would love to see me soon. I tell her I’m busy but wouldn’t mind her seeing some other time.

She send photos of her in lingerie, saying she can’t wait until we meet and that we have a lot to catch up on.

Monday, I message her asking if she would be in the spa this Thursday (on her typical schedule), she says no but she willing to “work privately”.

I ask her what does she require to “work privately”, she then says she was thinking we could get a room or airbnb, have some wine and relax together for the evening. I agree to this, she lets me know her detailed schedule… we arrange a date

She never asked for any money for this date or encounter.

Booked a nice suite this weekend, I’ll report back and tell y’all how it goes.

Thanks for the update. I am cheering for you! For the record, I cheer for the Leafs too. Similarly, I want you to come out on top but I don’t truly expect that. She already tipped her hand.

 

[RayHughston]

Thanks for the update. I am cheering for you! For the record, I cheer for the Leafs too. Similarly, I want you to come out on top but I don’t truly expect that. She already tipped her hand.

What’s the worst that can happen? Honestly asking so I can prepare

 

[boeing707]

What’s the worst that can happen? Honestly asking so I can prepare

it is not really clear to me what kind of outcome you are looking for. Are you looking for a her to become a (girl)friend or are you looking to have the occasional sex friend? Neither option will be cheap. If you want a girlfriend, keep in mind that it is custom in Chinese culture that girls look for expensive gifts from boyfriends. To the point that Chinese guys are afraid to go shopping with their girlfriends. And dinners, trips, etc. No different than any other girlfriend (or wife!). And be warned that if you do form an emotional attachment, that her job is going to cause you to get hurt at some point. Because she will be doing her normal work still seeing 3,4 or 5 guys a day, and it will start to bother you eventually. Add to that, that work will always come first, and with most girls working 6 or 7 days from 10 to 10, you will be frequently disappointed because she simply does not have time. If you want a sex friend, it won't be cheap either, she will expect frequent presents or cash in hand. Chinese girls are lovely, you might just want to consider finding a regular girl in the Richmond Hill area, go to a bar, club, etc. Or try to see a girl outside of her massage work but just form a platonic friendship, no gifts, no sex, have dinner regularly, go for walks, talk about your families. Just be a good friend.

 

[RayHughston]

it is not really clear to me what kind of outcome you are looking for. Are you looking for a her to become a (girl)friend or are you looking to have the occasional sex friend? Neither option will be cheap. If you want a girlfriend, keep in mind that it is custom in Chinese culture that girls look for expensive gifts from boyfriends. To the point that Chinese guys are afraid to go shopping with their girlfriends. And dinners, trips, etc. No different than any other girlfriend (or wife!). And be warned that if you do form an emotional attachment, that her job is going to cause you to get hurt at some point. Because she will be doing her normal work still seeing 3,4 or 5 guys a day, and it will start to bother you eventually. Add to that, that work will always come first, and with most girls working 6 or 7 days from 10 to 10, you will be frequently disappointed because she simply does not have time. If you want a sex friend, it won't be cheap either, she will expect frequent presents or cash in hand. Chinese girls are lovely, you might just want to consider finding a regular girl in the Richmond Hill area, go to a bar, club, etc. Or try to see a girl outside of her massage work but just form a platonic friendship, no gifts, no sex, have dinner regularly, go for walks, talk about your families. Just be a good friend.

Thanks for the tip. Great question- if I’m being honest, for now I would love to just recreate a session from the spa, but just on a king size bed.

I’m an intimacy kind of guy and really love the affection side of her services. If that turns into sex cool, if not that’s fine too.

Another note, she’s European (Italian) and grew up in Brampton not too far from where I grew up.

I kinda wanna see how far her enthusiasm goes.

Even though she never asked for any compensation for this outside activity - I do plan on giving her something (as I would if I saw her in the spa).

We meet tomorrow and I think we’re both excited as we haven’t seen each other in months.

 

[Sundance69]

it is not really clear to me what kind of outcome you are looking for. Are you looking for a her to become a (girl)friend or are you looking to have the occasional sex friend? Neither option will be cheap. If you want a girlfriend, keep in mind that it is custom in Chinese culture that girls look for expensive gifts from boyfriends. To the point that Chinese guys are afraid to go shopping with their girlfriends. And dinners, trips, etc. No different than any other girlfriend (or wife!). And be warned that if you do form an emotional attachment, that her job is going to cause you to get hurt at some point. Because she will be doing her normal work still seeing 3,4 or 5 guys a day, and it will start to bother you eventually. Add to that, that work will always come first, and with most girls working 6 or 7 days from 10 to 10, you will be frequently disappointed because she simply does not have time. If you want a sex friend, it won't be cheap either, she will expect frequent presents or cash in hand. Chinese girls are lovely, you might just want to consider finding a regular girl in the Richmond Hill area, go to a bar, club, etc. Or try to see a girl outside of her massage work but just form a platonic friendship, no gifts, no sex, have dinner regularly, go for walks, talk about your families. Just be a good friend.

I've had a few Spa Girls, generally referred to as a Sunday Lover.

Most, not all do expect compensation, unlike Canada, Chinese women expect gifts and expensive things as a condition to consider you as a lover or boyfriend. In Canada, we get the girls then buy the gifts, so the customs are different. Even regular dating a regular Chinese girl expects that her man will take care of her and her expenses, generally.

Spa girls are spa girls, they work for money, I often laugh when we talk about customers 5 a day, 5 or 6 days a week, that is 30 men they see each week or 120 a month, maybe 1,500 men a year, so keep that in mind.
20% are repeated, so 1,200 customers and 1,500 visits, its a lot for a local boy to contend with.

I've one of my girls with me now almost 2 years, she visits sometimes every week, and sometimes once a month. We have dinner, she stays over, and I give her a care package and gift card when she leaves. She has never asked, but it's the same price or more than a regular spa visit.

I have one my girls, stays with me overnight, comes to me when her BF is travelling, maybe ever other month. We have dinner, spend the night and I give her $200.

One of my early spa girls told me I could keep her if I bought her a house, so I bought her two (KIDDING), naturally we didn't last long.

I have a regular (non spa) Chinese girl with me once a week these days, nice girl, not typical, she's happy to have company and to have someone stable on her arm, take her out for dinner etc. But they like nice things, my girls shops weekly at Yorkdale, always coming home with something, so they like to shop. She's very frugal with me generally.

To the point of emotional attachment, it can be difficult, I found my heart broken more than once, as I have yet to have spa girl consider leaving the spa. in my experience with maybe 10 or 12 girls over the last 7 or more years, there is so much cash money, they can't give up the money. Many are from poor families and the lifestyle her is beyond their belief. Many are working to save and buy a home, or condo, many are putting children through university, many are sending money home to family.

They view the customers as ONLY WORK, JUST WORK ... in our world, it's sex work at some level, so it's not something most can manage. Keep that in mind, I've know several others here with similar experiences, one member here (no names) kind of lost it and visited her spa so often that she was fired. One member, used to sit in his car outside the spa on Saturdays for the whole day (I think the whole thing drove him crazy), so keep in mind you have to separate the work from the girl, they are very good at doing this. When they leave the spa, they are counting the money, not the customers.

Many girls have the BF or husbands drive them to work, culturally very different for man. Women go to work and come home, guessing work isn't discussed.

NOTE, many have several favourite customers, so you may be one of 5 or 7 or 9 regulars that she provides extra services for.

Just a little insight, have fun, enjoy the moment, caution, Hill Street Blues, "Let's be careful out there".

 

[c1000]

Thanks for the tip. Great question- if I’m being honest, for now I would love to just recreate a session from the spa, but just on a king size bed.

I’m an intimacy kind of guy and really love the affection side of her services. If that turns into sex cool, if not that’s fine too.

Another note, she’s European (Italian) and grew up in Brampton not too far from where I grew up.

I kinda wanna see how far her enthusiasm goes.

Even though she never asked for any compensation for this outside activity - I do plan on giving her something (as I would if I saw her in the spa).

We meet tomorrow and I think we’re both excited as we haven’t seen each other in months.

Just be safe breh.

I've exchanged numbers with a few MPAs and stripper, but in the end I don't trust none of these bitches like that.

Honestly, I'd rather take them to a restaurant or public place than straight to the telly.

 

[RayHughston]

Just be safe breh.

I've exchanged numbers with a few MPAs and stripper, but in the end I don't trust none of these bitches like that.

Honestly, I'd rather take them to a restaurant or public place than straight to the telly.

This is what I’m worried about, like…

What if she tries to extort me for money and threaten to claim SA if I don’t give her thousands of dollars?

Should I just call the whole thing off? Now I’m starting to get anxiety

 

[c1000]

This is what I’m worried about, like…

What if she tries to extort me for money and threaten to claim SA if I don’t give her thousands of dollars?

Should I just call the whole thing off? Now I’m starting to get anxiety

lol, trust me, I know why you've been stalling on this.

Fuck the extortion. I worry about getting set up.

I'm not sure how you planned the day out, but I would grab something light first like a coffee and feel her out first. If she's all tied up in her phone, I'd point it out to her.

 

[c1000]

Also, you and her have to define what this is.