whats up with these men?!

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i work in a hotel on occassions, sometimes i get a treatment room but as i am freelance, more often than not, i get called in to work on a saturday as its busy, and i get a hotel room or worse, a conference room.

i actually quite like these rooms as the treatment rooms are yuk and the hotel rooms are more ambient. but i have to trail back and forth to get each client, which is very tiring, unles one of the youngsters helps me (which they do, when allowed!).

i digress! my question is... why do men think they can stroll up for a massage wearing no pants? not once has a woman come along with no pants on, so why do men think this is ok? my last client saturday was a stocly little guy for a full body massage. now, at the end of a 6 hour shift, the last thing i want is a full body, let alone on a man... they are just tougher to do, sorry! i was in a conference room, actually no where near anyone else, no phone and this guy apparently has no pants on! i am always very specific in my instruction of what to take off and what i shall do in the treatment, so luckily he hadnt dropped his kecks. i told him that it was policy and apart from anything else, unhygienic. i made him go all the way back to his room and put pants on. i know i didnt do a particularly good treatment after that, i was tired and frankly, ticked off, and in a remote room with no contact easily.

i dont think i am being prudish. i almost think it is a little disrespectful to turn up like this. it sends out signals that maybe i shouldnt be sensitive to, but we are in a business that does have connotations. he thought i could just "cover him up". bloody cheek!

what say you?
 
Hiya Risie,

I cant comment on the therapy thing as I am not a therapist, but I can see where you are coming from, but I used to tend a hotel bar a long time ago, and found that the men that booked in, on business, were always a hand full, espically the married ones, they used to make a pass at any female, and thought that they were irrestiable[&:]
I used to put it down to being away form home where I assumed they were henpecked, and that old saying " while the cats away" always sprung to mind. That might be a sweeping generalisation but that is what I found
 
Hi Rosie

This is not just a man thing :-)

When people are used to receiving massages they often chose not to ware anything and feel more comfortable that way, personally I am not bothered about people without clothes as you are treating the person not the clothes, this seems to be more of a problem in the UK as opposed to the continent where it is apparently normal to receive massage without any clothes :-)
 
I think Paul is right here in that it could be a UK (and Ireland) thing. I personally would feel though very uncomfortable giving a treatment to someone in the nip, male or female but that's me and my issues.

I was on hols before in the east and visited a day spa with my sis in law. We were both advise to strip, shower and then go into the jacussi pre treatment... stakers for all. Me being me was totally embarrassed by the notion of it and so I was led to a separate area so I could shower and jacussi on my own and given paper towle pants for the treatment. They thought I was weird! Aparently in Japan it is like an insult not to bath in the nip with other women.

I do think we are repressed over here about such things but it will be something I am not sure I could ever get my head around.

Jac
xxx
 
Hi Rosie

The arrogance of some men amazes me. I had one recently who completely stripped off and I was very uncomfortable with it. During the massage he talked about a Jamaican woman in Handsworth he used to go to who massaged him all over.....every inch if you know what I mean. I firmly stated that I was a professional and that was not the sort of massage I gave. He replied that he understood it and had no problems with it. He went on to say that he had been to a place where young topless girls 'massaged' him and this was not what he was looking for. What he wanted was a proper aromatherapy massage where he could feel completely relaxed. Although I firmly believe he came to me for the right reasons it didn't take away my feelings of discomfort throughout the massage. I would not treat him again.

It has not done much for my confidence I can tell you. In hindsight I should have asked him to put his pants back on but as you know I am rather new to this and it is difficult to know what to do for the best.

yasmin xx
 
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Would it not be possible to give potential clients some guidelines prior to the treatment, so they know exactly what's on offer and what isn't, and for their part, what to take off/leave on?

When I was previously offering Reiki treatments in my home (although these are done with the patient fully clothed) I got the occasional dodgy sounding caller (always a male). I told them that I worked in the therapy room of a holistic centre and they never rang back. Funny, that.

Holistic
 
Just to add my comment on this, from my oersoective i prefer if people take their underwear off rather than keep them on! although i always say that people have a choice as to waht they keep on.
For me the underwear very often gets in the way of the massage, more so on women especially those stringy underwear that cover nothing much anyway but are worn halfway up the back !! so irritating!!
i think that as a mature way to approach massage is to be comfortablewith ours and other peoples bodies, massage is of course a non-medical and non-sexual touch and its good to make that clear if you get a client (male or female) that seems to think otherwise so i comletley understand when people get freaked at men takling off their underwear but hey c'mon girls we are not all perverts!!
i mean the clients are covered anyway to preserve decency..but at the end of the day its the clients choice ( or the therapsit if htey are uncomfortable massaging people without underwear) .

ok thats me for today .....
kind regards
paul
 
i agree that its a british thing as i do know that in europe (turkey for example) massage is given with no clothes on BUT its a turkish bath massage and quite different to a massage for relaxing in a hotel.

what does one tuck the towel in with no pants? as for ladies teeny g strings, again, tuck the towel in and pull them down to the required level.

it still begs the question as to why men go commando for these things and women, in my experience, dont! i am sure he was perfectly nice but maybe one should it play it safe in non familiar surroundings.

as i said, i always say before the treatment what to take off and i have suggested the hotel mention a dress code for future.

lol to holistic... whats on offer and whats not!!!!
 
As a newbie- in with both feet - is my dismissal imminent ?

I do not see how one can either give or receive a massage without being relaxed about THE BODY.

Clothes get in the way, and that is not intended to say that modesty cannot be preserved at all times.

This also raises that thorny question of which parts of the body get massaged. And it is related to the clothing issue you have raised. And Rosie I really do not think the issue with your client was clothing, it was his conversation. I presume you have not retained him as a client.

The worst massage I ever received was one in which my thighs seemed to end 3 inches above the knee, the back massage was then picked up on the small of the back, and on the front, with the same missing thighs my abdomen was missed out with perfunctory treatment to my chest.

Yes both parties should have a clear understanding of what is involved, and if you had told your client to keep his pants on then he was in the wrong.

Sorry about the boring name, I am also a dormant member of the "I didn't realise what fantastic names were in use and can I change my name club"
 
Hi Alistair, and welcome to HP, boring name or not! It's nice to have another male therapist amongst us girlies. Dismissal, I think not. In with both feet? What other way is there?

Fill in your profile so we can all have a sneaky look and find out more about you?
 
Hmm, it's a difficult one this!!!

I think I prefer my clients to wear something - but - I have my preferences.


I hate the boxer shorts that sometimes wear that are slightly fitted at the top of the leg. You can't shift them to do a gluteal massage, so you do it through the material - not really aproblem - but I always think you are stretching the material and they end up with baggy, misshapen pants!!

I think I prefer thongs, though I do see paulg's point - but usually I tuck a towel in the top of the knickers/pants and move them down to the hip telling the client that that is what I am going to do, why and check if its OK.

I have discovered in myself that whilst I don't worry about what is exposed when my own body is being treated as soon as the treatment stops I want to covered up. The relationship changes from being a client/patient to a more informal situation and I feel slightly uncomfortable being the only one with very little on!!

Hmm, difficult one this

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well here's my two penneth...

I have had both male and female turn up without pants. I keep disposable thongs in my drawers if needed. Boxer shorts yuk too low on the legs and too high on the back, yes i pull the pants/knicks down and no i dont tuck in towels, this can feel uncomfortable and bulky. Now do i have an issue with working on Nudies, well not my preference but could i see a genuine reason why not - No. Except recently working on a very high up goin strain on a man i did get him to splay his hip out to one side and then just asked him to tuck his bits in with the towel so i could work right up i checked he was comfortable with my hands there he was. Its only a penis - its not going to jump up and bite us obviously if they become stimulated then that is a different situation. The worst bit for me is very long pubic hair when you are working close in...much worse. If I am working on gluts/groin etc and client only has boxers i get them turn up in speedos so i have full decent access...

T
xxx
 
False pretences strike - but on reviewing my post I did not.

I am an amateur, not a professional, I have done a full practical massage course, but nothing else. It is from this distinctly unqualified position that I made my comments, but there are two sides to any argument, and with one exeption you have all been arguing the case from the practitioners viewpoint.

As a therapist running a practice you are of course entirely in charge of how you wish to do it, but I also offer the customers viewpoint, and mine is that the more clothes are left on, the more massage gets left off ! And speaking personally I have never worn a thong, I don't like boxers, and my y fronts cover up my largest muscles.

By the way Tigerbee, I thought this thread was all about the limits about what to wear (or not to wear), not what extra to put on - drawers and thongs - you must be a difficult one !

I do live in Surrey, and I was not that man

And Candie, I wil review my limited profile, but there is more personal stuff about me in the cancer and mens health sub forums
 
hi alastair,

its quite interesting, isnt it, getting everyone's viewpoint. your point is valid, of course, but i guess you wont be coming to me for a massage in a hurry ;o), which is fine, btw... nasty, hairy, smelly men <wg>.

actually, i just re read your post, hmmm, no it wasnt his conversation, although to be honest i wasnt getting a good vibe from him. no i am not a prude but i also dont do sports or remedial massage. a relaxing massage, as a one off remember, doesnt usually require heavy work on gluts or groins. as he was a hotel guest, no i wont be seeing him again.

yes, as a therapist, i do call the shots when it comes to appropriateness. i guess if clients arent happy with the sort of massage i do, they wont come back or they could complain when i am in the hotel environment.

remember, this was a one off massage, in a hotel *beauty* theraoy area, where only relaxing massage is on offer.
 
Not difficult at all alrl just getting the best for both pracititioner and client.
T
x
 
i havent had this problem (still training with the massage) however i know a female therapist who has and her client did get excited and also said things that made her very uncomfortable so she smacked 'it' and told him he was a dirty old man!!!

i think the problem is that there is the old 'massage' connotation and we all have to be very careful especially in the situation that you were in rosie. i remember reading on HP quite a while ago that someone had a call asking if they could have *** on the couch while being massaged.

our massage tutor said if doing men its best to start working on their front. dont really know if this would work or not.
 
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    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน3 girls ๐Ÿ˜˜Table shower ใ€body scrub ใ€ Sea salt bath๐Ÿ‘5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ Young girl Cherry (Student)๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜โ€œcharming breasts.โ€beautiful curvy hips.โ€very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธ You are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in the
  30. luckywellness:
    Lucky Wellness Center 4379721888 295 Eglinton Ave E,Unit 7,Mississauga Kiki and Judy are at work. They are both young and pretty. They are great at deep and relaxing massages.
  31. DareDevil:
    ARIA WELLNESS โ™ฅ๏ธADDRESS: 360 HWY 7, UNIT #6, RICHMOND HILL,647-222-5683 (PHONES CALL ONLY, NO TEXT'N AVAILABLE) โ™ฅ๏ธTODAY'S Schedule!โ™ฅ๏ธ Loaded lineup with Young Beautiful Girls : New Girl Joy, Ellagant Ella, Hottie Hattie, Magical Mia and Work out๐Ÿ‹๐Ÿšด๐Ÿ’ช Babe Amy! BUY 10 HOURS (GET 11 HOURS) **TODAY'S PICK OF THE DAY IS ๐Ÿฌ๐ŸญHattie๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿญ**
  32. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Sami is a gorgeous model type Vietnamese Girl Natalie filipina mixed Petite girl Jessica Pretty Girl with amazing personality and super easy to get along with. Sasa friendly Vietnamese Judy is a gorgeous model type Vietnamese Girl
  33. EMSpa_schedule:
    Tomorrow's sneak peek: On Friday April 25, 2025, our attendants will be Cici ๐Ÿ˜˜, Opal ๐Ÿ˜˜, Vicky ๐Ÿฅฐ, Carla โค and Ada ๐Ÿฅฐ. Call us at โ˜Ž๏ธ(905) 479-6668โ˜Ž๏ธ to book!
  34. SL East Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™€๐Ÿ’–Terrific Thursday ๐Ÿ’– Ultimate destination for Asian massages๐ŸŽ‰ Two fab spots: SL Richmond Hill & SL West Oakville โœจ Your passport to paradise with 9 enchanting girls fr China, HK โ€” ๐Ÿ†•Tiffany, Joey, Julie, Aaliyah, Coco, Yui, Meghan, Michelle & New 34D Jasmineโ€”โ€” ready to pamper you๐ŸŽ๐Ÿ Ring us ๐Ÿ“ž647-695-6354 or text us ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169โœจ 160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, RichmondHill ๐Ÿ’ฐWhere Eastern charm meets Western comfort - your bliss awaits๐Ÿ™Œ
  35. Lilyspa1:
    Lily Spa :๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•Thursday Schedule ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณSana 23, , Punjabi girl , very pretty 36 DDD ๐Ÿ˜ˆGFE โค๏ธElena ( Latino ) Big Nature Boobs & SuSu ( Asian )Slim , ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜Porn Service ๐Ÿ”ฅDuo ๐Ÿ”ฅ,โ˜Ž๏ธ 6475318288
  36. wilson holistic centre:
    new girl Tina works at ๐Ÿ’‹535 Evans Ave today ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-531-6969โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ
  37. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน Table shower body scrub Sea Salt Bath๐Ÿ‘every day 3 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ Nice girl Mia โค๏ธ Natural Big Boobs 36 DD ๐Ÿ˜˜Pink Mini Nipples Hot body slide, super enjoyable๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, back walking has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will b
  38. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบwelcome to wonder spaโ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800,L6a4H8๏ผŒopen10 to10.on Thursday ,Ensuit shower available ๐Ÿ…beautiful Jessica come back,deep tissue to relax massage and nice body slide๐Ÿ…sunny very good looking,big breasted sweet sensual touch really popular ๐ŸŒนlong hair very young beautiful Lily ,friendly smile,,slim body back. Walk,hot stone,cupping ,more experience โค๏ธโ€๐Ÿ”ฅ,must try
  39. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude
  40. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 5 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ LUCY, PAOLA, ASHA, ANGELINA, SONIA, SALMA, MEGAN ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  41. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Click Here Meet๐ŸŒธKim๐ŸŒธTina๐ŸŒธAlisaCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  42. HollywoodSpa:
    Thursday at ๐ŸŽญ๐—›๐—ข๐—Ÿ๐—Ÿ๐—ฌ๐—ช๐—ข๐—ข๐—— ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐ŸŽญ, 4578 Yonge St, Unit 100, North York, ON: CINDY, JENNY & SISI. โ˜Ž416-222-5554โ˜Ž CINDY is a slim & pretty lady with long dark hair and a pleasing personality. JENNY is slim, attractive, with a tight frame and service with a smile. When you visit ๐ŸŽญHollywood Spa๐ŸŽญ, you will be treated with tender care and your visit will be a fulfilling one.
  43. ForeverWarden:
    Thursday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Cindy, Sophia & Tracy. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups. Her massage is nice, her services will drive you wild & her finish is a dream come true. Sophia is a sweet & pretty Chinese lady with natural B Cups and an awe-inspiring smooth rounded ass. Sophia can provide top notch services
  44. wilson holistic centre:
    new girl Tina works at ๐Ÿ’‹535 Evans Ave today ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-531-6969โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ
  45. HolidaySpa:
    Thursday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: ANGELA, LUCY & CINDY. Angela is versatile and responsive. LUCY is a beautiful and slim Asian lady with a happy disposition and great services. CINDY is a slim & incredibly sexy lady with a smile that will melt your heart, & an ass that will fire up your spirit.
  46. AliceSpa:
    THURSDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”.4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 3 girls here today at ALICE SPA. Open 10am to 9pm: ASHLEY is a beautiful slim Korean student, snow white skin, 5'2, 100 Lbs, natural C Cup, pink nipples, baby face & voice, can accomodate bbbj cim cof rim dfk, excellent services. KITTY (12pm-9pm) is a new Korean girl, super busty, small body, new to the business.
  47. Lilyspa1:
    Lily Spa :๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•Thursday Schedule ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณSana 23, , Punjabi girl , very pretty 36 DDD ๐Ÿ˜ˆGFE โค๏ธElena ( Latino ) Big Nature Boobs & SuSu ( Asian )Slim , ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜Porn Service ๐Ÿ”ฅDuo ๐Ÿ”ฅ,โ˜Ž๏ธ 6475318288
  48. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center: Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Helen ,Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Tina ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Cindy ,Student big boobs buttocks Vicky, Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,๐Ÿ address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ
  49. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Vivian , pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Yuki ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Anjoo ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. 2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 .โ˜Ž๏ธ4379857899๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„
  50. Funlooker:
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