Question V&V SPA questions and reviews

[TheWhiteShadow]

Yes, Renee being the owner should be included in the daily postings. Knowing that she is (might) be here is a good thing. It has nothing to do with the ability to book her her or not. I was glad to chat with her a bit on my first visit. Would I book her for a session? No, and as @TheWhiteShadow writes - too much interruptions when you have the owner/manager in the room - no matter how good she is.

As for @Sundance69 of whatever name he used to go by, IGNORE him. He is the wannabe KJ of the West End. Just because he is close to a couple of owners - (at least 1 that I know off), he thinks he has the right to tell Spa owners what they or their girls should or should not do. One spa owner put him on ignore and now he is letting everyone knows when he gets a chance that that spa is garbage.

We, as Hobbyists, will always find value where we want. Each and everyone of us is different. Some of us wants to have a good, strong massage with the finish as the icing. Some of us only want to play with the girls - NR, DATY etc. Some like their girls to be at least 30+ and experienced enough to know what they want. Some like the young ones to make them feel young.

To each his own I say.

I'd still see her at some point. She was super friendly the one time I meet her at the spa, but I was there to see Tina. Renee has a different sex appeal about her for me anyway, can't put my finger on it, but I have always wanted to see her. So some day I will...

Like you said we all have differences to what we look for. Hoping this thread can at some point die down on the back and forth, and just let people enjoy having the new spa in the area...

 

[JimiNY]

Her and her best friend Eva are the two most attractive girls at either SL or this place and again I think many would agree.

Yes on that point, Eva is at V&V today and Tina scheduled for Wednesday’s. They are telling me a good friend of Sarah (SL) will be joining the crew next Saturday, a given name of Michelle.

 

[Sundance69]

Yes, Renee being the owner should be included in the daily postings. Knowing that she is (might) be here is a good thing. It has nothing to do with the ability to book her her or not. I was glad to chat with her a bit on my first visit. Would I book her for a session? No, and as @TheWhiteShadow writes - too much interruptions when you have the owner/manager in the room - no matter how good she is.

As for @Sundance69 of whatever name he used to go by, IGNORE him. He is the wannabe KJ of the West End. Just because he is close to a couple of owners - (at least 1 that I know off), he thinks he has the right to tell Spa owners what they or their girls should or should not do. One spa owner put him on ignore and now he is letting everyone knows when he gets a chance that that spa is garbage.

We, as Hobbyists, will always find value where we want. Each and everyone of us is different. Some of us wants to have a good, strong massage with the finish as the icing. Some of us only want to play with the girls - NR, DATY etc. Some like their girls to be at least 30+ and experienced enough to know what they want. Some like the young ones to make them feel young.

To each his own I say.

Hey @Buaya You are quite opinionated. Seems you don't know much, and talk too much.

Fact is YES, I know many of the spa owners, and Fact is YES, seems Kerry at GW has agreed to disagree with me. GW and the girls are out of pocket and other spas benefit, so, not a very smart business move for GW, one would suggest.

Fact is you provide very little on this forum, so why don't you STFU. Fact is I've stepped way from the spa business a little, but certainly will give positive accolades where they are earned. AND provide my feedback as I wish as this forum and the members of this forum expect.

In this case Renee posting her unavailbitily is promotional and disrespectful the members here. So, you my friend can keep your opinion and post it, but adding me and others, you can just .... STFU.

If you want to add something postive, please do, the membership would welcome it. If you have something useful to say please do. Stop calling out other members, acting like a teenage girl, seriously.

You say "to each his own", something you should consider before calling out other members (valued members) here on MP.

Happy Saturday!

 

[JimiNY]

Amber from SL is restrictive, tip hungry, and fugly. She's more restrictive than the others yet still wants to be paid the same as the girls that offer DFK, DATY, etc. and even over charges from the normal market rate if you don't want to partake in a bodyslide and prefer only a traditional HE finish. I don't care how good the massage is at that point. You'll know exactly what I mean if she comes here.

and Renee? She's married. Why would anyone want to see a girl at a semi holistic place or whatever this is when there is no chance of any kissing or daty and the massage isn't anywhere close to being great? She puts minimal effort into the massage, it's absolute garbage, and doesn't offer kissing or daty to new clients and that is what a lot of guys look for. I highly doubt she even offers those services to any of her older clients now. There's literally no good reason to see Renee these days as a new client. She lives off her reputation from five years ago.

On the other hand…….

Amber is a young girl of GND look and has a great body; natural C and fit. She claimed to be the youngest one among the SL team. Excellent hard massage, don’t expect at all in a semi holistic spa. She is a freshman in the industry and most here would say she is restrictive; no kissing to her mouth and no touching to her pussy. However, I managed to make some headway by gentle and patient to her.

She enjoyed people playing her top and welcome you sucking her nipples. After warming her up by playing her tites and sucking; she got excited and I rubbed my tummy against her pussy; I practically initiated a pussy slide and that excited her. She begged me to keep going and she cum in a big way. I got exhausted too. She said almost like fucking.
She rewarded me in return a long slow edging; teasing areas around my small boy and my balls before launching a full attack.

In summary, if you want to have a taste of a new hand, willing to be patient to give a guiding hand; she is the one for you to see. However, if you expect a well graduated MPA, like Renee/Coco, who entertains you once stepping into the room, she may not be for you. But she is young, her massage and outstanding body will please a lot of people.

I saw Amber after my visit with another girl. She was so stunning that I had to stop her in the hallway and pull her into a room for a quick private Convo. She has this angelic innocent face , looks a bit mixed race, her English is very good. We had a great chat and she encouraged me to give her a try. Even though I just had a great one hour session with a different girl I asked her if she was available now!!! I was that horny. She politely and smartly told me to wait until next time when she was not so busy.

My appointment day came up and went to see her. Ambers body is very natural and all woman. Quite curvy for an Asian. Nice sized C breasts and amazing full curvy full and firm bumm with small waist. Her butt is to die for. It is full and round without any fat. Perfect balance between firm and grabable. More Latino type ass than a typical Asian one.

We clicked right off the bat. We decided to start with the fun stuff which for me was a lot of sensual petting, body kisses, and body sliding. She was open to my hands wondering freely. She allows body kisses, No DATY or lip kissing. ( I respected that). Her only real restriction is no pussy rubbing close to mr junior. This made my favourite position Italian a bit awkward as she was very nervous with mr junior pushing the limits of what we could be as acceptable. Oddly it did not take away from the sensual nature of our encounter. It felt more like when two ppl first meet and the girl is rather inexperienced and doesn't want to give it up so quickly. This was ok with me.

She asked me to finish on her back but was rather shocked with how much I exploded on her back. It kinda freaked her out cuz she couldn't stop talking about it for the duration of the massage. After the cleanup, she gave one of the better massages Ive had at SL. She is quite talented and the massage was not a throw in to the overall experience. In fact it was extremely enjoyable. Once again Renee has a great girl in her stable of prized winners. 160 total including room fee for one hour.

Face: 9 very little make up and angelic innocent and gentle looking
Body: 8.5...curvy firm Latina type body with hilight being a nice full bodied ass
Massage. 9 one of the best I've had
Fun stuff 7.5...oddly I enjoyed myself even with the restrictions encountered but her sensuality was better than most and captivated me
Repeat: yes....but with a specific appetite for that type of experience

Went to Shangri'La on Saturday and was met by Amber - what other reviews say is genuine, she looks very sultry and hot! curves in all the right places, a beautiful voice and can speak well in English!

Agreed for a 45min massage... this was one of the top massages I've ever had, she was very good with a mix of thai and tuina massages, not painful but deep and effective! It was soo good that I was just moaning all the time and couldn't strike up a proper conversation!

And then the fun part - and man could she do a hot body-slide! First off, it's only when her clothes came off that I realized that she's really attractive - not thin like the other chinese girls but has curves in all the right places! a beautiful natural rack and a hot ass! She started with BS on my back, with deft sensual touches for about 5 min, then flipped and she did what I could only describe as a faux russian suffice to say she was really, really good at what she does!

No DATY was allowed as she said she doesn't like her pussy being licked (better to be safe than sorry), but she was open to everything else within semi-legit limits - playing with her pussy with my fingers, sucking her boobs, etc. She was even playing with my little general while in a 69 position, but careful to not be close to my face! and afterwards just sat on my chest and gave me a sensual HJ...all the while she was very moaning ever so slightly, couldn't hold any longer and had a really good release

What was most surprising was that she gave me a bit of time after the release, cleaned me up ever so nicely, and then proceeded back to massage again! I told her generally no one goes that, she pointed at the clock and said u have 10 min more! She did a chest and leg massage, and ended with a nice head massage...

damage $140, I initially wanted 1 hr and she said they charge 160, so agreed to 45 min.
Body: 9 - she's au natural, beautiful curves!
face: 9 has a sweet face and an even sweeter voice!
service: 10 - I cannot preface by saying this was one of the best I have ever recieved! I would rate it even higher than Eva and Coco tbh!

Amber is the real deal, Shangri-La is really upping their standards! Within semi-legit rules, this had to be one of the best I've ever had

Too bad that Amber from SL does not work today. I miss her top-notch massage,an amazing smile,the best BS and Gosh.........Ass to die for

From my point of view Amber is the cutest lady in SL

 

[Surgeon1936]

Amber from SL is restrictive, tip hungry, and fugly. She's more restrictive than the others yet still wants to be paid the same as the girls that offer DFK, DATY, etc. and even over charges from the normal market rate if you don't want to partake in a bodyslide and prefer only a traditional HE finish. I don't care how good the massage is at that point. You'll know exactly what I mean if she comes here.

and Renee? She's married. Why would anyone want to see a girl at a semi holistic place or whatever this is when there is no chance of any kissing or daty and the massage isn't anywhere close to being great? She puts minimal effort into the massage, it's absolute garbage, and doesn't offer kissing or daty to new clients and that is what a lot of guys look for. I highly doubt she even offers those services to any of her older clients now. There's literally no good reason to see Renee these days as a new client. She lives off her reputation from five years ago.

Amber is the one of the gorgeous ladies in SL. Yes she is not that open minded like others. Some costumers are choosing Amber because her restrictions.We are having fun and not only coming for mechanical session with more service but also for stress free and quality time.Amber can create perfect erotic and seductive environment. Sometimes better than Mechanical DATY and higher mileage.

 

[Buaya]

@Sundance69
I am just stating some facts that I know. Most of the members here do know that you say you have been hobbying in this area for the past 6 years. You wrote a lot of reviews - mainly positives ones I might add with regards to GW. After Kerry and a couple of girls there more or less pissed you off, you deleted them. And you more or less and I quote

"GW and the girls are out of pocket and other spas benefit, so, not a very smart business move for GW, one would suggest."

A bit vindictive are we? Like I wrote a wannabe KJ who threatened Spa Owners and girls that they will lose business if they do not play nice with him.

FYI - GW is doing very well. When you look at a spa's roster and see that they have no problem keeping their girls shows that all the girls are making good money. Just like the ones that is your favourite now - V and Z zone. Very busy in spite of them being only a 2 person spa and no in room showers. Jenny is a good owner and a great business woman.

I do not write reviews because to me they are always YMMV. After a while even these become stale and nothing to add to them.

I called you out because I find it VERY distasteful of you saying that Renee - who is a very sucessful owner - is being very deceptive by posting that she is only available by PRIVATE bookings. It is her perogative - not up to you to call her out. Did she hurt your feelings because you cannot book her?

Final note: I am not a fan of Renee or SL. I have never been there. I do most of my hobbying in this area. Just thought I try out VV as they are the new kid on the block.

 

[Sundance69]

@Sundance69
I am just stating some facts that I know. Most of the members here do know that you say you have been hobbying in this area for the past 6 years. You wrote a lot of reviews - mainly positives ones I might add with regards to GW. After Kerry and a couple of girls there more or less pissed you off, you deleted them. And you more or less and I quote

"GW and the girls are out of pocket and other spas benefit, so, not a very smart business move for GW, one would suggest."

A bit vindictive are we? Like I wrote a wannabe KJ who threatened Spa Owners and girls that they will lose business if they do not play nice with him.

FYI - GW is doing very well. When you look at a spa's roster and see that they have no problem keeping their girls shows that all the girls are making good money. Just like the ones that is your favourite now - V and Z zone. Very busy in spite of them being only a 2 person spa and no in room showers. Jenny is a good owner and a great business woman.

I do not write reviews because to me they are always YMMV. After a while even these become stale and nothing to add to them.

I called you out because I find it VERY distasteful of you saying that Renee - who is a very sucessful owner - is being very deceptive by posting that she is only available by PRIVATE bookings. It is her perogative - not up to you to call her out. Did she hurt your feelings because you cannot book her?

Final note: I am not a fan of Renee or SL. I have never been there. I do most of my hobbying in this area. Just thought I try out VV as they are the new kid on the block.

Hey @Buaya I don't threaten anyone ... mostly have good relations with the girls and the owners.

Agree to disagree is fine with me, their loss at GW. Fact remains, it's fairly well know they are suffering, business is down, everyone knows this.
The 30 minute quick rub and flip is not well received in this area. May pay the spa owner, but not great for the customers or the girls. They have a few good providers, but the shine is off this ship, especially with all the new spas in the area.

I totally suggest that @renee is using a poor tactics and posts to promote her spa, and leave the members here in limbo. If she's working then work and be available and she's not, the get off the list. Simple really don't advertise what you are not providing.

I've never been to SL, although have met a few good girls along the way. I am local was well, strictly Oakville, Burlington and Mississauga.

Happy Saturday!

 

[Buaya]

@Sundance69 . GW customers go there mainly for the strong massage that that following girls - those that I have seen and know - Nancy, Lala, Kiki all do. Majority of their customers do the 60 minute session not the 30 minute Rub and Tug that you suggest. Even Annie can do a strong Massage if you ask her to. All you need is to ask or even tell Reception that you need a strong Massage and they will let the girl know in advance.

I myself always do 60 minutes. I need my back attended to weekly. Which is why - as I told someone who ask me of the 3 girls I saw at VV - Cici, Eva and Yui who I prefer. I consider Cici as the one I would most likely repeat and Yui the least - mainly because she is the most inexperienced. Young and good looking but not for me.

Just like at V and Z zone, Amber, Sophia and Selena are my type. Yumi not so.

 

[burldude12]

Hey @Buaya I don't threaten anyone ... mostly have good relations with the girls and the owners.

Agree to disagree is fine with me, their loss at GW. Fact remains, it's fairly well know they are suffering, business is down, everyone knows this.
The 30 minute quick rub and flip is not well received in this area. May pay the spa owner, but not great for the customers or the girls. They have a few good providers, but the shine is off this ship, especially with all the new spas in the area.

I totally suggest that @renee is using a poor tactics and posts to promote her spa, and leave the members here in limbo. If she's working then work and be available and she's not, the get off the list. Simple really don't advertise what you are not providing.

I've never been to SL, although have met a few good girls along the way. I am local was well, strictly Oakville, Burlington and Mississauga.

Happy Saturday!

Sundance, this is the 4th times now that you mentioned about Renee limited availability. Enough already. Go spam Mei's spa and Maggie

Please stop your "know ot all" attitude on how to run a spa business and how to please customers

Your V-one and Z-one shop can really use some of your expertise and install new in-room showers since they only have 2 MPA working with 4 rooms

Take a few days to reflect or better, visit V&V and provide a real review for once. For fucks sake.

Have a good day... not good bye yet.

 

[fesco_tomasi]

Amber is the one of the gorgeous ladies in SL. Yes she is not that open minded like others. Some costumers are choosing Amber because her restrictions.We are having fun and not only coming for mechanical session with more service but also for stress free and quality time.Amber can create perfect erotic and seductive environment. Sometimes at better than Mechanical DATY and higher mileage.

I respect that point of view and the people that want a different experience from the typical 'high mileage' session I really do and we all have different tastes but you are in love with Amber. Every single post of yours is about her so it's hard to take what you say seriously when it comes to this particular lady. I hope whatever you and Amber have going on works out well and you two live happily ever after.

There is of course a small chance that they baited and switched me with another girl when I saw Amber. They've done that to many other guys over the years it's practically part of their modus operandi if they think you don't know what a girl looks like and they think they can get away with it.

By the way I highly recommend NOT falling in love with an MPA. It'll drive you crazy unless you enjoy thinking about what she's doing at work all day? Maybe that isn't even that big of an issue for you since she's 'restrictive' ...

 

[JimiNY]

There is of course a small chance that they baited and switched me with another girl when I saw Amber

You are full of it, they b&s and still the most successful spa in Richmond Hill? All other spas are clambering to get their business and will send dopes like you to sprew crap. Maybe it was you today at V&V
Some guy entered without a booking, requested Eva, went into room turned lights all the way up and started taking pictures or filming as per Vava. Held phone up at Eva when she entered and started saying assaulting things. He was tossed out by a couple of girls They have surveillance video and seeing if he drove in. The police may be involved as there has been threats against the spa.

 

[burldude12]

There are a lots of crazy people out there. Police should go after him and lock him up

Glad that the girls are OK. Video of the guy and also video of his car should be easy to get.

 

[JimiNY]

There are a lots of crazy people out there. Police should go after him and lock him up

Glad that the girls are OK. Video of the guy and also video of his car should be easy to get.

Well they said if necessary they will ask property management for surveillance or just have the guy charged with assault with a statement from the girls and then the cops will do the rest.
So this is the wild Wild West is it,
Suck it up…..

 

[TheWhiteShadow]

You are full of it, they b&s and still the most successful spa in Richmond Hill. All other spas are clambering to get their business and will send dopes like you to sprew crap. Maybe it was you today at V&V
Some guy entered without a booking, requested Eva, went into room turned lights all the way up and started taking pictures or filming as per Vava. Held phone up at Eva when she entered and started saying assaulting things. He was tossed out by a couple of girls They have surveillance video and seeing if he drove in. The police may be involved as there has been threats against the spa.

Shit is getting crazy...just read on another thread some guy stole from the spa, of all things a diffuser. They have surveillance and posted it, good on them. VV should do whatever they can to this creep. I hope everyone is ok after this...

 

[Sundance69]

Sundance, this is the 4th times now that you mentioned about Renee limited availability. Enough already. Go spam Mei's spa and Maggie

Please stop your "know ot all" attitude on how to run a spa business and how to please customers

Your V-one and Z-one shop can really use some of your expertise and install new in-room showers since they only have 2 MPA working with 4 rooms

Take a few days to reflect or better, visit V&V and provide a real review for once. For fucks sake.

Have a good day... not good bye yet.

I see so you too @burldude12 what's your point in this game.
I happend to object to the marketing of a non available spa girl, what's your point.

You as well as anyone know that I'm well versed in this area, with the spas, the owners and the girls.

What Z&V do is there business, yet I find little to object about their spas or their girls or their posts.
V&V just arrived and while I was encouraged to visit, I don't like misleading information, and self serving posts.

Something about equal opportunity and truth in advertising.

I will certainly try V&V, there are a number of interesting girls posted to date, yet I will make my first visit with Renee if she's available.
So it may take some time it would seem.

I don't know it all, but I know a lot and more than most.

Now, can we all try and get along, move along to the subject at hand. This poor thread has had enough of this nonsense today.

 

[burldude12]

I see so you too @burldude12 what's your point in this game.
I happend to object to the marketing of a non available spa girl, what's your point.

You as well as anyone know that I'm well versed in this area, with the spas, the owners and the girls.

What Z&V do is there business, yet I find little to object about their spas or their girls or their posts.
V&V just arrived and while I was encouraged to visit, I don't like misleading information, and self serving posts.

Something about equal opportunity and truth in advertising.

I will certainly try V&V, there are a number of interesting girls posted to date, yet I will make my first visit with Renee if she's available.
So it may take some time it would seem.

I don't know it all, but I know a lot and more than most.

Now, can we all try and get along, move along to the subject at hand. This poor thread has had enough of this nonsense today.

Why are so vested on V&V? Your spas not doing well?

Post reviews... good or bad. But for fucks sake post reviews instead of your opinionated, self absorbed ego about know it all attitude.

 

[Sundance69]

Why are so vested on V&V? Your spas not doing well?

Post reviews... good or bad. But for fucks sake post reviews instead of your opinionated, self absorbed ego about know it all attitude.

Right back at you sweetheart. Really ...

 

[Bustanut]

Renee's slimy court jester thought he did something with that post Tina is great and almost everyone that's seen her would agree. This isn't the 'gotcha' you think it is. Her and her best friend Eva are the two most attractive girls at either SL or this place and again I think many would agree. Both are great. I'm not a hater I just call it how I see it. Amber is fugly and Renee is overrated. Like I said It isn't 2018-2019 anymore. Renee lives off her rep from those days when she used to actually put in some effort in the room.

There is some truth to what you’re saying brother. Let me clear the air here. Of course everyone has different taste which is fine. The shills come when people or should I say promoters, can’t take any criticism. If I would to rate all the girls facially at SL or here at this spa. Amber would be at the bottom. That’s keeping it real. I have nothing against her I feel the other girls look better. Have I repeated with her? No, not for me.

In the SL thread when someone asked about Amber. I said decent face, good body and good massage. Then another member asked if she provides …I believe it was “dfk or daty” I responded with “I have no idea as I wasn’t interested in any of those services”. Before you know it “You have insufficient privileges to reply here.” LOLOLOLOLOLOL! All because I said I wasn’t interested in that stuff with her. I didn’t even say anything bad.

Now for Renee, I still feel she is okay till this day. Her effort with me has always been on point. If you have a different opinion on that. That’s your opinion and that’s okay. For someone to get attacked for saying his opinion by the different handle, same guy mob is a joke. I don’t believe you have any malicious intentions. Some of the threads are a joke when you say your opinion and then
“You have insufficient privileges to reply here.” LOLOL

 

[fesco_tomasi]

There is some truth to what you’re saying brother. Let me clear the air here. Of course everyone has different taste which is fine. The shills come when people or should I say promoters, can’t take any criticism. If I would to rate all the girls facially at SL or here at this spa. Amber would be at the bottom. That’s keeping it real. I have nothing against her I feel the other girls look better. Have I repeated with her? No, not for me.

In the SL thread when someone asked about Amber. I said decent face, good body and good massage. Then another member asked if she provides …I believe it was “dfk or daty” I responded with “I have no idea as I wasn’t interested in any of those services”. Before you know it “You have insufficient privileges to reply here.” LOLOLOLOLOLOL! All because I said I wasn’t interested in that stuff with her. I didn’t even say anything bad.

Now for Renee, I still feel she is okay till this day. Her effort with me has always been on point. If you have a different opinion on that. That’s your opinion and that’s okay. For someone to get attacked for saying his opinion by the different handle, s ame guy mob is a joke. I don’t believe you have any malicious intentions. Some of the threads are a joke when you say your opinion and then.
“You have insufficient privileges to reply here.” LOLOL

So then it wasn't a bait and switch lol... because yeah. Not for me facially. I had high expectations going in because I heard a lot of good things but it is what it is. She actually was a pretty nice girl but I just couldn't get down with the face man I gotta be honest. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder as they say.

There was a huge uptick in shitposting, trolling, and attempted sabotage between rival spas in each other's threads I think so at least a few of the bigger spa owners whose threads are usually very active went and cried to the admin to give the account that starts the thread special privileges to ban any account and delete any post.

Tbh, I'm actually not against this ability as the thread starter looking at it from the perspective of the spa owners, who are running businesses at the end of the day. And yeah it's also kind of a bitch move to ban somebody from a thread but sometimes it has to be done. People like @Spawarrior99 exist. As entertaining and funny as he is, dudes a fucking lunatic lol

 

[Leo44]

So if V&V'fans are not willing to digest negative reviews then whats the point of this forum or even worse banning members and deleting posts,. WTFK, dont tell me that this forum is becoming like the red board!!!